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re: Who should run schools? Federal government, state government or local government?

Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:14 pm to
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But it has repeatedly been proven that “competition” doesn’t result in lower spending or better schools.


I'd like to see these studies.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:14 pm to
Local. How is this a question?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:22 pm to
Because the state and federal government mandate educational policies and have been since the 1960s.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:22 pm to
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I'd like to see these studies.


I linked one in a comment on a previous page.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60285 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:28 pm to
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Because the state and federal government mandate educational policies and have been since the 1960s.


And education has gone to shite since then

Again, where’s the question?
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
5035 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:30 pm to
Show me where the federal government was given the task to educate the population...
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 6:31 pm
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13450 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:34 pm to
The Federal Government oversteps their boundaries in almost every area.

But

We fought a war over this and we lost. So until a war is won that’s how it’s going to be.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:43 pm to
Local, may state for funding only.

Feds...frick off.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:44 pm to
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But it has repeatedly been proven that “competition” doesn’t result in lower spending or better schools. This neoliberal bullshite needs to die already.


Maybe not, but it absolutely would result in the death of shitty schools with shitty teachers, shitty administration, and shitty parents.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
5321 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:24 pm to
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Because the state and federal government mandate educational policies and have been since the 1960s. And education has gone to shite since then

Dates correspond with unionization of teachers too. Coincidence?
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
1006 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:26 pm to
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Paid for by local people. Operated by local people. Oversight from elected local people.

Local school systems have become little communist soviets. Public education should be banned in the State constitution.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4942 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:38 pm to
I enjoyed how TX did it. The school districts were independent school districts. In Frisco, the residents voted in bond elections for school improvements, changes etc. So the locals determined how good or bad the "facilities" were and resulting staff.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:10 pm to
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public education, which is a necessity.


False.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
10042 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:28 pm to
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Local school systems have become little communist soviets. Public education should be banned in the State constitution.


So if the people of Ascension parish, or Zachary, or Brusly don't like the curriculum, or certain teachers' methods, they can voice their opinion to the principal and school board. People hate it, but social media gives them an opportunity to organize against the Progressives.

If that doesn't gain any traction, leave and or homeschool. At which point if you homeschool, you should be credited the same as any other child credit for use of a public school.

We saw an involvement like no other with PTA meetings and such around covid. Remember the DOJ warning about all those domestic terrorists?
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11681 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:28 pm to
Privatize it

Pre K
Grammar
High schools
Trade schools

Posted by Lickitty Split
Inside
Member since Apr 2017
4120 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:00 pm to
So all I hear is you asking a question about government schools. How about every child gets the same amount to be applied to the school of their choice? I’m not talking vouchers. I’m talking you want to go to some art school and learn, so be it. You want to go to trade school when you’re a teen, there it is. You want to go to a religious school, that’s your choice.
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:11 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 10:14 pm
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
1006 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 4:46 am to
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So if the people of Ascension parish, or Zachary, or Brusly don't like the curriculum, or certain teachers' methods, they can voice their opinion to the principal and school board.

The same logic can be applied to grocery stores, mechanics, surgeons and lawyers.

Make all those government owned and if there’s a problem you can always go to the Brusly Grocery Store Board. I’m sure it will work out great.

Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5346 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:32 am to
Education is mostly about the parents and how well the kids are raised. That’s more important than the quality of teachers and facilities and the curriculum.

I teach at a public school. I teach the same subject four times a day. I have two advanced classes, one general class, and one general/supportive instruction class with a para. With a few exceptions, I basically have my best 50 kids in two classes, my next 25 in another, and my last 25 in another.

I could take my best advanced class outside in the middle of a downpour and get more across to them than my general classes with all the tech you could want. And it’s primarily because they have been taught some discipline.

I had to e-mail the mom of one of my worst kids earlier this year and when I looked up the address it was borderline profane. You can recognize the problem right then and there. Kid doesn’t have a chance.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59334 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:23 am to
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Local school systems have become little communist soviets.


Where? In what ways, specifically? I’m not plugged into national news but I’ve never heard of a public school calling for the abolition of private property.
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