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re: White nationalists : What is wrong with being white and a nationalist?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:26 pm to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:26 pm to Hog on the Hill
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"White nationalism" is a form of ethno-nationalism, which is specifically based around racial and ethnic identity politics. This is distinct from just "nationalism" which is not inherently based around racial or ethnic identity.
When someone says they are a white nationalist, they are saying that they believe that their country's national identity should be based on white ethnicity.
That's very different from being a white person who is a nationalist (meaning the version of nationalism that does not espouse ethno-nationalism).
We all know this and that was the point he is trying to make.
The point is also that the ridiculous BamaAtl psycho's are trying to hijack the term to mean anyone white that is a nationalist and not a globalist.
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:26 pm to Sentrius
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Being a homogeneous nation is not racist.
No, but kicking out everyone who isn't is.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:27 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Black history month exists because the overwhelming majority of people in this country with African heritage have absolutely no idea where in Africa they came from (besides the vague "western Africa"). Unlike Irish Americans, Anglo Americans, German Americans, etc, they have no ties to specific regions or cultures in Africa because they were brought here as slaves. They were given Christian names and completely removed from their heritage, so they collectively have "black" heritage--that's the only concrete tie they have to Africa.
What is Black History Month then? A celebration of being black and celebrating the accomplishments of black folks.
Oh nm, it's only racist if whites are involved. Sorry.
White Americans, on the other hand, usually have a good idea of their ethnic heritage. For instance, I know that my background is primarily Scottish, Irish, and English. My parents have done extensive genealogy and I can trace parts of my family back a thousand years. I know I have ancestors who immigrated from Ireland and fought with the rebels in the American Revolution. I've traveled to the region in Scotland where my surname comes from.
There is no "white history" month because white people in America can celebrate their specific heritage in a way that black Americans cannot. My hometown in Arkansas has a Scottish Festival every year. Many cities celebrate St. Patrick's Day.
I don't see why there's a problem with Black History Month. African Americans are somewhat unique in the world in that they do not have a heritage they can easily trace back to a homeland. They just have black history in America.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:28 pm to Masterag
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No, but kicking out everyone who isn't is.
who has proposed this?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:28 pm to Masterag
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No, but kicking out everyone who isn't is.
People are being kicked out based on the status of their citizenship not skin color.
Obama set the record according to his administration for the number of citizen he kicked out.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:29 pm to GumboPot
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The OP was asking about being white and a nationalist. Not being a white nationalist
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White nationalists : What is wrong with being white and a nationalist?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:30 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Oh okay. I can't keep up with all the meta shite
We all know this and that was the point he is trying to make.
The point is also that the ridiculous BamaAtl psycho's are trying to hijack the term to mean anyone white that is a nationalist and not a globalist.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:31 pm to Masterag
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White nationalists : What is wrong with being white and a nationalist?
Who are you speaking to?
White people who are nationalists?
Or people in favor of a white nation?
Those are two VERY different things.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:32 pm to Hog on the Hill
CNN, MSNBC, etc etc have been using the term White Nationalist with reckless abandon, and clearly using it to conflate "Trump supporters" with Stormfront types.
It is insane and was a bit subtle, but peeps are catching on.
It is insane and was a bit subtle, but peeps are catching on.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:32 pm to CptBengal
Go nuts, bro. It's a free country...kinda.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:33 pm to BamaAtl
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racist
I take it that you have a binary view of this.
That being that racism, in any degree, is always morally wrong.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:34 pm to CaptChandler
quote:Wouldn't he know it when he sees it, then?
You are one of the biggest racists on this board, and yet you feel that you have the authority to call someone racist.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:35 pm to Navytiger74
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Go nuts, bro. It's a free country...kinda.
I know, right? jk lol.
I mean just look at you, actively able to serve as a your preferred gender!
Current Year!
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:35 pm to CptBengal
Orwell wrote an entire essay on the problems of Nationalism you a-historical moron:
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He may be a positive or a negative nationalist — that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating — but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the upgrade and some hated rival is on the downgrade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also — since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself — unshakeably certain of being in the right.
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:36 pm to Masterag
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So slave owners were not white nationalists? I'll let you figure that one out.
You were wrong. You said that white nationalists wanted an all white nation. Therefore, slave owners cannot be white nationalists since they wanted lots of blacks in the nation.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:36 pm to Masterag
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No, but kicking out everyone who isn't is.
Pushing through public, economic, tax and social policy that incentivizes demographics change over the long term is not racist.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:36 pm to cwill
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Orwell wrote an entire essay on the problems of Nationalism you a-historical moron:
Orwell and his brother were global collectivists.
I doubt they liked nationalists.
Good try, good effort.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:37 pm to CptBengal
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The nationalist part, if you ask me.
being for your country is wrong?
Not surprised you would confuse patriotism and nationalism.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:37 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Well, there are definitely white nationalists who support Trump. Richard Spencer is the obvious and easiest example. He's the guy who coined the "alternative right" name.
CNN, MSNBC, etc etc have been using the term White Nationalist with reckless abandon, and clearly using it to conflate "Trump supporters" with Stormfront types.
It is insane and was a bit subtle, but peeps are catching on.
I think white nationalists are a minority of Trump supporters. I think most Trump supporters are just everyday conservatives who believe in traditional American values.
With that said, I think the voice of white nationalists has grown over the last year or two. I don't know if their numbers are increasing or not.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:38 pm to cwill
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Not surprised you would confuse patriotism and nationalism.
Interesting thought...can you be a nationalist and unpatriotic?
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 3:39 pm
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