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re: White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.

Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:11 am to
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70128 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:11 am to
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Is that another point for the conspiracy theorists?




TCU did better against Georgia than the government is doing against conspiracies
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124691 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:35 am to
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Yes, it was.


No. It wasn’t.

It wasn’t believable that they had a trial where 20,000 unvaccinated people only had 162 infected with Covid.

It wasn’t believable then. It’s not believable now. Especially now that we know that they had 2000 patients with unconfirmed Covid in total across both treatment arms. Around 800 of those patients were never Covid tested.

It was always a lie. It was always a money grab. It never was an effective vaccine.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20601 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:41 am to
Seems like it is already the narrative in the medical community.
Was talking to a GP yesterday who said there has been a major increase in AFIB cases. I mentioned the Vax and the response was it is from people that got infected by covid not the Vax ...
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135033 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:00 am to
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Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47101 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:01 am to
The goverments response to covid is gonna have us really messed up if china sends out something much worse next time.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170314 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:02 am to
How is this a "narrative shift" of any sort?
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23034 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:05 am to
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Was talking to a GP yesterday who said there has been a major increase in AFIB cases. I mentioned the Vax and the response was it is from people that got infected by covid not the Vax ...


I mean we should know who is vaccinated and who is not. If it’s strictly Covid and not the vaccine then they should be able to easily one didn’t affect the other.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170314 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:07 am to
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Seems like it is already the narrative in the medical community.
Was talking to a GP yesterday who said there has been a major increase in AFIB cases. I mentioned the Vax and the response was it is from people that got infected by covid not the Vax ...


It's not a "narrative"

There are studies that indicate that mortality rates significantly increase for people in the 12 months after COVID infection

I've seen some of these studies more than a year ago so this isn't some recent "narrative shift" like moron OP is trying to frame it
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111902 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:11 am to
What will be great is when they are asked to explain how a lot of these suddenly dead never had Covid, but only the jab.

"It's likely they had Covid and didn't know it."
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23034 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:15 am to
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There are studies that indicate that mortality rates significantly increase for people in the 12 months after COVID infection I've seen some of these studies more than a year ago so this isn't some recent "narrative shift" like moron OP is trying to frame it


Care to share the studies? Does it provide vaccination status of those who died?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:17 am to
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White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.


Before taking any advice on any subject from someone, first ask them this simple question: Is this a man or a woman

Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
11650 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:17 am to
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How does one get "long COVID" if they the vaxx works?


Will probably say those folks aren’t getting their bi-weekly boosters to combat long covid.

Another $5 billion to Pfizer please.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
16876 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:21 am to
Pureblood checking in. I'm so glad I didn't get those shots.

Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10713 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:22 am to
But why are only the ones that were vaccinated dying from it?

Posted by GeauxWrek
Somewhere b/w Houston and BR
Member since Sep 2010
5022 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:26 am to
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It was always a lie. It was always a money grab. It never was an effective shot.
FTFY, remember they had to change the definition of that word
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170314 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:26 am to
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But why are only the ones that were vaccinated dying from it?

You literally just made that up
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170314 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:42 am to
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Care to share the studies? Does it provide vaccination status of those who died?



In this particular study the time frame would suggest that it's not likely that many were vaccinated because it wasn't available. And the vax rates are listed

Long Covid Mortality Study from Estonia - April 28,2022



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Population and setting
We included data on all people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 during the first year of the COVID-19 epidemic (26 February 2020 to 28 February 2021). SARS-CoV-2 infection cases entered the cohort on the index date (the 1st positive SARS-CoV-2 test date), with reference group subjects added from the same date. By the end of February 2021, only 6.0% of the population had received at least one dose of vaccine, and 2.6% had completed the initial vaccination protocol. In the people infected before 28 February 2021 (included in the present study), the respective vaccination rates were 4.1% and 1.8% by that date.


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Cohort description
The cohort comprised 66,287 people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA between 26 February 2020 and 28 February 2021, and 254,969 randomly selected individuals from the reference population (Table 1). People with SARS-CoV-2 infection were slightly older in average, with a mean age of 44·0 (SD 20·6) years versus 42·4 (SD 22·9) years for reference group subjects (a difference of 1·7 years, 95%CI 1·5-1·9 years, p<0·001); 35,806 (54·0%) and 130,620 (51·2%) subjects were female (p<0·001) in the SARS-CoV-2 and reference groups, respectively. The age difference is mainly explained by the fact that children aged 0-9 are underrepresented among SARS-CoV-2 cases (3·5%) compared to reference group (9·6%), whereas the proportion of individuals aged 60 or above is even slightly lower in SARS-CoV-2 cases (23·5%) than in reference group subjects (24·9%, p<0·001). Both cohorts were relatively healthy: 89·8% of SARS-CoV-2 cases and 92·7% of reference group individuals scored 0 on the CCI score (p< 0·0001)

Among the 66,287 individuals in the SARS-CoV-2 group, the overwhelming majority (92·1%, n=61,063) had a non-severe course of COVID-19; 5·4% (n=3,557) had severe disease (requiring hospitalisation) and 2·2% (n=1,467) had critical disease (needing intensive care). In the reference group, within the acute period (up to five weeks after the index date), 0·8% had a health condition requiring hospitalization (n=2,106), and 0·3% (n=666) needed intensive care.




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A time-dependent analysis showed that among individuals aged under 60, all-cause mortality was higher among SARS-CoV-2 cases than reference group up to 35-days post positive SARS-CoV-2 test (aHR 4·7, 95%CI 3·0-7·5), but not later in the follow up (mid-and long-term aHR 0·9, 95%CI 0·7-1·2).
Among subjects aged 60 and above, mortality in the SARS-CoV-2 group remained higher than in the reference group for the entire follow-up period (Figures 2, 3), ranging from extremely high risk of death within 10 days of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (aHR 20·1, 95%CI 15·5-26·1), and being over three times higher during mid-term (weeks 36-84: aHR 3·9, 95%CI 2·9-5·1) and close to two times higher in the long-term period (aHR 1·7, 95%CI 1·5-1·8) (Figure 3).


Some of the graphs can't be linked because they're scrollable and not a direct image I can link

There are a number of studies you could look up on this if you took the time to. There is significant evidence that mortality of all sorts increases after COVID infection, particularly serious COVID infection. Maybe there actually is something to the claim that the impact of these deaths is majority COVID related and not vaccine related. That's not to say that the vaccines have 0 impact because we do know of some potential side effects and certainly the excess deaths due to the vaccine isn't 0. But it is evidently dwarfed by actual COVID.

Or you could tell yourself that Gumbo Pot and Strannix have this whole thing figure out if it makes you feel better. I wouldn't go that route.

Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8734 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:52 am to
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Meanwhile the Pfizer ceo became a billionaire thanks to covid.



Worth mentioning that also became sick thanks to covid. Twice. In spite of taking the vaccine that made him a billionaire.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
5034 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:58 am to
Long COVID is as real as fibromyalgia.

“Long COVID” is actually a patient created term, also.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
11308 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 7:01 am to
If true and this is long COVID related, but I would that mean a number of people could have caught COVID and had no symptoms and possibly tested negative on rapid tests.

My take, the vaccine is only masking this invisible COVID infections, and heart failure is the only symptom that you get, but in most cases it is too late to treat unless you have AED and an EMT at home to get the heart back running.
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