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Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:03 am to half cajun
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I said “IF”. If it can be proven would you have a problem
So why can't we similarly see "IF" it can be proven that Joe blackmailed the Ukrainian government to protect his sons corrupt enterprise?
How are you missing this gaping hole in your logic?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:04 am to half cajun
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Tying military aid to the investigation is a no-no. It should be pretty obvious to even the most dedicated Trump cultist but somehow is not.
First you said you were upset because Biden is a political opponent, now you're upset that he may withhold military aid, all while claiming you're against corruption on either side, but you don't think he should force them to investigate a massive corruption scheme.
Your mental gymnastics are all over the place, bud.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:06 am to half cajun
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I said “IF”. If it can be proven would you have a problem. Surprisingly many answers on here have been that it wouldn’t be a problem.
If the deal was to restore law and order to further develop a positive relationship with a friend in a very important part of the world, I have no problem with using assets, military or otherwise, as a cudgel to further foreign policy relations.
You see the difference?
Biden uses US leverage for personal gain.
Your Trump hypothetical uses US leverage for US gain.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:10 am to half cajun
Watch this video.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:12 am to Lsupimp
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There is something poetic about watching The Celebrity Apprentice wreck grown men over and over again.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:13 am to Vacherie Saint
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Remember when calling for the firing a prosecutor was considered obstruction of justice and grounds for impeachment?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:16 am to half cajun
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Lol at you Trumpsters complaining about intellectual honesty. My God the irony. I notice you still didn’t answer.
You sound a lot like a birther, maybe a little less intelligent but overall, very similar...
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:26 am to half cajun
I and others have credibility on this board precisely because of out intellectual honesty. We make assertions and predictions that over time are proven true and we don’t engage in hysterical McCarthyism. We remain skeptical, we apply that grain of salt. You on the other hand, have the opposite track record. You are a purposefully delusional Never Trumper who has convicted our President of every half-baked CNN assertion, and then fledwhile it all unravels absurdly amidst our laughter . You play yourself again and again and again ...
The Celebrity Apprentice WRECKED you. And he will continue to wreck you.
The Celebrity Apprentice WRECKED you. And he will continue to wreck you.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:26 am to tigerinDC09
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The official described to Bloomberg details about the country’s political dynamic in the run-up to early 2016 when Biden, then the U.S. vice president, threatened to hold up U.S. funding to Ukraine unless it cracked down on corruption.
I have no dog in this fight. It’s been proven time and time again that everyone jumps to conclusions for their side when these stories come out, yet the truth is never as bad as first reported and lands somewhere closer to the middle.
BUT, how on earth can you quote that article as proof that Biden did nothing wrong, knowing that it contains the same language and describes the same actions that Trump supposedly committed? Actions that you minutes earlier were condemning? I’m not sure whether I should admire your brashness, or pity your reasoning.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:32 am to Decatur
quote:lol, literally no legal reason to give Congress anything at all. The president does not answer to Congress on foreign policy or diplomacy, other than ratifying treaties. The left needs to take some civics classes. This is all covered by executive privilege
Lawmakers have demanded a full transcript and a list of participants on the call.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:35 am to Baron
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Baron
I understand your point but there is a further point that must be made. If the assertion is true that Trump used US assets to cudgel Ukraine into "cracking down on corruption" the difference between this assertion about Trump and Biden is the following:
Biden uses US leverage for personal gain.
In this Trump assertion, Trump used US leverage for US gain.
It's a fine point with a MASSIVE difference.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:36 am to narddogg81
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lol, literally no legal reason to give Congress anything at all. The president does not answer to Congress on foreign policy or diplomacy, other than ratifying treaties. The left needs to take some civics classes. This is all covered by executive privilege
They forget about separation of powers and co-equal branches of government when it's convenient.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:40 am to Vacherie Saint
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So Hunter Biden's corruption and ukraines election meddling should go completely unchecked and we should continue to fund their war machine because actual justice might "benefit Trumps campaign".
Lol, ok Mr moderate.
Per Rudy G it "will" benefit his client and it "might" help the government.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:42 am to bmy
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Per Rudy G it "will" benefit his client and it "might" help the government.
Was that supposed to be a counterpoint?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:44 am to GumboPot
Absolutely, but I wasn’t trying to make a point for Trump, just pointing out faulty reasoning.
Honestly we don’t even know what was exactly said by Trump to Ukraine. If he said “if you don’t start investigating Biden, you are getting completely cut off,” then that’s one thing, but what are the chances of that? 0.0%? 0.00001%? Yet, a couple of posters are already getting spun up by putting those exact words in his mouth, which is ludicrous speculation. I just wish we (and I mean MSM, pundits, and TD posters) all would just let these things play out first.
Honestly we don’t even know what was exactly said by Trump to Ukraine. If he said “if you don’t start investigating Biden, you are getting completely cut off,” then that’s one thing, but what are the chances of that? 0.0%? 0.00001%? Yet, a couple of posters are already getting spun up by putting those exact words in his mouth, which is ludicrous speculation. I just wish we (and I mean MSM, pundits, and TD posters) all would just let these things play out first.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:44 am to bmy
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bmy
Even if this “hypothetical” turns out to be true, please cite the law that makes it illegal
Thanks in advance
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:45 am to Turbeauxdog
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Was that supposed to be a counterpoint?
Just a bit of evidence indicating that the purpose is to benefit the Trump 2020 campaign
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:47 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Even if this “hypothetical” turns out to be true, please cite the law that makes it illegal
It's the little heard of until now law of "Well, he just can't do that. We don't like it one bit."
Until now, it hasn't been used other than in hypotheticals and the occasional mock trial.
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