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re: When Will Republicans Realize That Idenity Polictics Is Real?

Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:26 am to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
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Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:26 am to
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So why do 2nd generation Hispanics vote 80% for Democrats?


I contest that number 100%.

The Hispanic population is still fairly young and growing.
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:27 am to
Keep it up man.
Posted by Jump High
Member since Sep 2017
130 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:28 am to
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So, in essence, what you're saying is race is THE deciding factor in voting? Not healthcare, not the economy, not international relations, not education, not jobs, not national security, but RACE?

No, but what I am saying is that based on recent demographic trends those issues you mentioned will mean nothing in 50-100 years. What I am is saying is that as America becomes a majority minority country it will forever vote for Democrats. And then we will see how much these people we bring in by the millions really value our constitution or what America was founded on.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43835 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:29 am to
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But I'm honestly curious how you expect to win National elections


Same way the GOP won in 2016. Trump got higher Hispanic support than McCain or Romney and he got the highest African American support of any R since Ike in '56.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:31 am to
Pat Buchanan was warning about this in the '80s

Not only that it would lead to bad policies, but that it would be the death of the Republican party
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:32 am to
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But every other group is not against it, and will laugh at you as they vote you out of power forever.



First off I think you're well overestimating the people who believe in identity politics. While there are lots of people in the House elected through it, I think it is far more difficult to become a Senator. Trump got elected as a direct middle finger to identity politics.

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It already is, you dummy. Go ask any voter if they vote for someone based on their policies or what is best for their ethnic group overall. You'll be in for a rude awaking.



If you asked me on "what I think is best for my ethnic group" I would directly ask you in return "What the frick are you talking about Ethnic Group? Are you talking about the Irish, because I don't give a shite especially due to not being Catholic." Yes blacks and Hispanics can fall into these lines, but how about instead of talking about walls and their skin color with Hispanics, you talk about their Judeo-Christian family values? How about talking about the welfare state with them? I think that's a much more effective means to get them to your side.

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So why do 2nd generation Hispanics vote 80% for Democrats? If it was so easy, why aren't they voting Republican? Again, it's because identity politics is real, and they'd rather vote for someone who will say they will pass amnesty and allow their whole family to come here.



Because the Republicans are talking about building a retarded fricking wall and deporting 11 million Hispanics.

You're an idiot at best and nefarious at worst, because the end results of all Identity Politics lead here:






This is the end result of Identity Politics. It has you think of the people outside of your identity as less than human for you to commit mass atrocities against them. It is pure evil. Treat people as individuals rather than the collective, you Alt-Right nutcase.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6842 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:33 am to
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But I'm honestly curious how you expect to win National elections going forward from the graphs I've posted without playing some identity politics.


With third party candidates. Candidates who can the massive number of people who are fed up with the dem vs repub shitshow we now endure.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295145 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:34 am to
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What I am is saying is that as America becomes a majority minority country it will forever vote for Democrats.


You're making a mistake thinking the loudest of society represent large groups. They don't and you overestimate their numbers
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
153935 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:36 am to
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So why do 2nd generation Hispanics vote 80% for Democrats? If it was so easy, why aren't they voting Republican?
A local businessman said that he hires Latin illegal aliens b/c they do as much as work as three [other demographic group] and unlike them, don't constantly bitch

But once you start dealing w/the ones who were born here, they've gone native and are looking for handouts
Posted by Jump High
Member since Sep 2017
130 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:36 am to
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Same way the GOP won in 2016. Trump got higher Hispanic support than McCain or Romney and he got the highest African American support of any R since Ike in '56.


LINK

So Trump got 29% of the Hispanic vote compared to Romney's 27%. And Trump got 8% of the African American vote compared to Romney's 6%. Do you honestly think those two percent points will ever matter in the long run? It's just sad to what conservatives have been reduced to.
Posted by ZOU
STL
Member since Oct 2014
1841 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:39 am to
Lol at fat piece of shite loser OP promoting identity politics.

There’s thousands of things minorities should be more worried about than race.

Absolutely disgusting.
Posted by Jump High
Member since Sep 2017
130 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:40 am to
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OMLandshark

I'm done with you. I'm not going to allow you to bring up the Holocaust and associate me with that. If that's what you do with with everyone you disagree with, it's a sad sight. It's obvious you have no arguments so must bring up genocides to somehow make me fell bad.
Posted by Jump High
Member since Sep 2017
130 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:41 am to
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You're making a mistake thinking the loudest of society represent large groups. They don't and you overestimate their numbers

Then please explain to me how California has been turned permanently Blue thanks to Regan's amnesty.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:43 am to
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I'm not going to allow you to bring up the Holocaust and associate me with that.


I'm not saying that you directly want that, but if you want to ramp up the Identity Politics, then that is where you will end. Genocide is the logical endgame to ramping up Identity Politics. People may think Identity Politics can be justified, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If we continue to ramp up Identity Politics on both sides, I can't imagine it ending any other way.
Posted by DrunkerThanThou
Unfortunately Mississippi
Member since Feb 2013
2846 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:54 am to
So let me get this straight. You are saying that your ideas and policies lack merit but because your party caters to stoking hatred between people of different colors yall will "win". Fascinating, rare to see so much truth from the Left
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:00 am to
White leftists are the most self hating people on the planet.

They are essentially cattle marching into the slaughter house telling at the rest of the herd that's getting spooked they better dare not say anything bad about their executioners.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
63994 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:06 am to
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No, but what I am saying is that based on recent demographic trends those issues you mentioned will mean nothing in 50-100 years.


So you're saying all blacks will vote the same and all Hispanics will vote the same for the next 50-100 years?

So what do these groups have in common other than race? What makes blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat? They've been voting that way ever since they were legally allowed the vote. This is not a new development. Hispanics are likely going to be a different type than blacks simply based on the whole segregation and slavery aspect playing a large role when blacks first started voting.



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What I am is saying is that as America becomes a majority minority country it will forever vote for Democrats. And then we will see how much these people we bring in by the millions really value our constitution or what America was founded on.


So you're oversimplifying this big time. You're running with the assumption that all non-whites will vote Democrat no matter what for the next 50-100 years.

Do you honestly think there aren't going to be new issues at play in politics in the years to come?

Also, another small nugget, races are starting to mix more than they ever have in the US.

What happens then?

This majority/ minority distinction is just as stupid as skin color distinctions. They're just tools of control for democrat politicians. Democrat politicians continue to enslave minds with their racially based fear mongering. They keep people afraid and needy so they'll always turn to them to give them hope.... and the cycle continues...


Stop judging people based on skin color, their tricks are working it seems. Its sad, really.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 1:08 am
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:11 am to
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Identity Politics are the origins of every terrible thing humanity has done to one another since the Industrial Revolution.


Actually try since the beginning of time and humans walking out of the caves.

It will never ever stop and frankly I don't believe it should as culture is tied to demographics.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:19 am to
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Trump got elected as a direct middle finger to identity politics.


For some sure.

He was also elected as an identity politics response other identity politics.

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Because the Republicans are talking about building a retarded fricking wall


This is where you lose me dude.

There is absolutely nothing wrong at all with protecting your borders and fighting against people who cheat the system and legal immigrants by coming into this country without expressed permission from the United States Government.

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nd deporting 11 million Hispanics.


Nah, just the ones that are in this country illegal without permission.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:27 am to
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OMLandshark


Colored me shocked. White people actually listened to MLK ?
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