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When is an "appropriate time and manner to protest"?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:04 pm
So many social media posts, etc the last 48 hours have started off this way:
"I support their first amendment right to protest... but this isn't the right time or place".
Well... who gets to determine the right time or place? The First Amendment doesn't only apply at certain times of the day or certain days of the week.
I think this protest is misquided because it won't get them what they are looking for. But I have no issues with them not standing for the flag.
It is impossible to both support the First Amendment and say those rights should be exercised at a different time.
Of course... this is no different than:
1) People saying there should be separation of church and state, yet wanting government money to go to church's via tax exemptions
2) People saying we should have a small government, yet wanting government to dictate when adults can and cannot marry
"I support their first amendment right to protest... but this isn't the right time or place".
Well... who gets to determine the right time or place? The First Amendment doesn't only apply at certain times of the day or certain days of the week.
I think this protest is misquided because it won't get them what they are looking for. But I have no issues with them not standing for the flag.
It is impossible to both support the First Amendment and say those rights should be exercised at a different time.
Of course... this is no different than:
1) People saying there should be separation of church and state, yet wanting government money to go to church's via tax exemptions
2) People saying we should have a small government, yet wanting government to dictate when adults can and cannot marry
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
Tues - Thurs, 1000-1400
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
I don't care what they do. I also don't care when they get inevitable backlash.
Sports are an escape from everyday life so when you bring politics into a setting where people are trying to actively escape it, you're gonna piss some people off.
Sports are an escape from everyday life so when you bring politics into a setting where people are trying to actively escape it, you're gonna piss some people off.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
1- On your time. Not at work.
2- In a peaceful manner that doesn't interfere in someone else's normal life.
Wow, how easy was that?
2- In a peaceful manner that doesn't interfere in someone else's normal life.
Wow, how easy was that?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
For NFL players? Not during the anthem. That's a shite ton of the week, baw, like 167 hours, 58 minutes and change.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
When is an "appropriate time and manner to protest"? by LSUFanHouston
At pretty much any time when you're not at work in front of paying customers who will have a problem with it.
Really. Is that complicated for you folks?
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:09 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:
1- On your time. Not at work.
This - it's a workplace/employment issue, not a first amendment issue. You can bet that if revenues fall far enough, the owner's will begin to enforce a new league wide conduct policy against on the field protests.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:10 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
1000-1400
They'll never know when to protest. You might have come up with a plan.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:10 pm to jdd48
quote:Hell, it's almost even less than a workplace issue.
This - it's a workplace/employment issue, not a first amendment issue.
It's a "you don't piss off a substantial portion of your paying customers" issue.
That people are making this hard is just funny.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:10 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
Tues - Thurs, 1000-1400
IN front of the NFL office in NYC
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
If I get into a taxi to take me somewhere and he starts preaching religion to me (of any nature), or starts talking to me about any other weird topics that are not casual speak, do I want him to be talking to me? Or do I just want to give him my money and take me to my f'king destination?
It's really simple. If you feel strongly about your cause, by all means, use your money and take out ads.. Start volunteering. Start being pro-active in your communities to spread the message the right way.
Why is it even a topic of conversation?! I feel crazy.
They have AMPLE opportunities to speak and spread their word on MANY platforms us normies don't have. Don't shyte where you eat.
It's really simple. If you feel strongly about your cause, by all means, use your money and take out ads.. Start volunteering. Start being pro-active in your communities to spread the message the right way.
Why is it even a topic of conversation?! I feel crazy.
They have AMPLE opportunities to speak and spread their word on MANY platforms us normies don't have. Don't shyte where you eat.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:11 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:
1- On your time. Not at work.
What if your boss is ok with it? Which is the case here?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:11 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Agreed. And we'll put.
That's a shite ton of the week, baw, like 167 hours, 58 minutes and change.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
They are free to protest during the anthem.
People are free to have the oponiom that they are in poor taste for doing so.
Everyone is free.
People are free to have the oponiom that they are in poor taste for doing so.
Everyone is free.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
The First Amendment doesn't only apply at certain times of the day or certain days of the week.
Until the government takes some action to silence the protests the First Amendment doesn't apply at all.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:13 pm to m2pro
quote:
If I get into a taxi to take me somewhere and he starts preaching religion to me (of any nature), or starts talking to me about any other weird topics that are not casual speak, do I want him to be talking to me? Or do I just want to give him my money and take me to my f'king destination?
And if there was a 45 minute stoppage in play in which the players talked... you might have a point.
Hell half the time the networks don't even show the National Anthem for a regular game. People kneeling has absolutely NO IMPACT on your enjoyment of the game.
Last time I saw this much crying from snowflakes... Hillary was losing an election
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:14 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Protest anything, anywhere, and anytime you'd like. Period. But if there is a cost to your choice, or a backlash, own it.
When is an "appropriate time and manner to protest"?
It's yours.
Someone else didn't build your protest.
You did it.
Don't blame others. They have as much right to their actions as you do to yours.
If you chose to deface or disrespect the very symbol of your freedom to do so, it it's your prerogative. Just as it is my prerogative to disrespect you for your action.
Simple stuff, really.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
1) People saying there should be separation of church and state, yet wanting government money to go to church's via tax exemptions
Logical fallacy. The government is not entitled to any income.
quote:
2) People saying we should have a small government, yet wanting government to dictate when adults can and cannot marry
Wrong. People do not want the government redefining marriage and telling them what to believe.
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quote:
I think this protest is misquided because it won't get them what they are looking for. But I have no issues with them not standing for the flag. It is impossible to both support the First Amendment and say those rights should be exercised at a different time.
They can do whatever their employers allow. We can tell them we don't like it and stop watching, and then their employers will change their tune. It's really not nearly as nefarious as you're making it out to be.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:You are correct.........which is why the NFL is taking the heat as much as anything.
What if your boss is ok with it? Which is the case here?
The same league that banned recognizing dead Dallas police officers is OK with this.
Which, frankly, is amazing on steroids.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:16 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:
1- On your time. Not at work.
That should be up to your boss to decide.
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