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re: When do we, and the West in general, start to accept the fact that Democracy failed?

Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:44 pm to
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WE ARE NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRACY.

Keep saying it over and over until it sticks.


My critique is of democracy itself, which is the very foundation of our Constitutional Republic.

FFS some of you are dense on purpose, I swear.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:44 pm to
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I would like to think so, but there is nothing to base that hope on, to date. We just watched 30 million illegals - many fit military aged males - poor in across our border, unchecked, and when the next Democrat takes office, we will watch it, again. And yes, I understand the problem ranges way beyond the border, but it’s an example of how complacent we are.



I'll give us credit than the UK. But even if you slash the figure by 1/5, something like 50,000 girls were raped by invaders and the system their forebears built to protect the spit in their face. And what happened? Nothing. More invasion.

Essentially, we're asking a bunch of people with skin in the game - the contingent with the most skin the game, actually - to put it on the line against every institution in the west, all while a ton of their fellow citizens and most of the women they'd be doing this partially to help tell them they're bad for pursuing it. It is a legitimately hard ask, bordering on "never going to happen."
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:45 pm to
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I would like to think so, but there is nothing to base that hope on, to date. We just watched 30 million illegals - many fit military aged males - poor in across our border, unchecked, and when the next Democrat takes office, we will watch it, again.
It has caused quite the stir to where we were very publicly snatching mfers off the streets and deporting them. And there wasn’t thaaaaat much pushback.

And Dems were able to get away with it. Meaning everyone knows they did it, but they weren’t blamed for it being full on operation.

Let them do it again. They’re close to losing any plausible deniability with some of this stuff.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:46 pm to
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Nobody made anything up. If you want people to know what you mean, post what you mean and don’t throw a fit because you made an error.


See, making shite up. I meant exactly what I posted. Idiots like you can't seem to grasp that I'm critiquing the very foundation of our Constitutional Republic. No one is throwing a fit, I'm sorry if you're a Nun and naughty words offend you.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:47 pm to
You’re assuming that the future United States you speak of is comprised of a republic of fifty states?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
71757 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:48 pm to
Oh, my bad, didn’t realize you were insane.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21576 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:48 pm to
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You’re assuming that the future United States you speak of is comprised of a republic of fifty states?


Here's your gold star.
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
2769 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:48 pm to
No, you expect the US to operate as a democracy and it wasn’t ever designed to. The underlining of our nation are…..a representative constitutional republic. Democracy should die, it has no place here. Kill the hell out of it.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:49 pm to
I know it’s simultaneously scary, but I think us being able to watch Europe be gay af and get raped is going to be a huge asset for us.

I think it’ll help us maneuver quickly to defend against the really bad stuff.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21576 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:49 pm to
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Oh, my bad, didn’t realize you were insane.





Didn't realize you were so easily offended. Damn, how do you make it through the day with skin that thin?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
71757 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:50 pm to
Case in point
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87625 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:51 pm to
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I would argue that those problems are the inevitable outcome of Liberalism. It's not like they developed in a lab and were just tossed on our Government like a particular bird flu or something. We're seeing end-stage Liberalism here, particularly the postwar consensus.



I mean we're probably pretty close.

But what I'm saying is that if you redid the last century without an influx of non-European immigration (or even Europe+latin America) - and maintained tighter controls on the leaks - border, welfare parameters, etc. you'd be in a better position. If you retained more cultural Christianity in the country - which is obviously harder mechanically than the policy choices - it would be that much better.

I would accept the idea that liberalism always dilutes those things by nature, but the PWC flavor of liberalism is probably worse in that it arose directly to counter strong themes and connective tissue - borders, religion, nationalism, so forth.

Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21576 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:51 pm to
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I know it’s simultaneously scary, but I think us being able to watch Europe be gay af and get raped is going to be a huge asset for us.

I think it’ll help us maneuver quickly to defend against the really bad stuff.


I know the UK isn't armed, but I don't know how, in nearly 70yrs because grooming gangs go back as far as literally the first people to come over, but how not one father or group of fathers didn't end up burning down a few Turkish Barbershops at the very least.

I mean a QUARTER OF A MILLION children, and we know that number isn't even the real number.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
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21576 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:52 pm to
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Case in point


Excellent retort. You really got me.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87625 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:53 pm to
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I know it’s simultaneously scary, but I think us being able to watch Europe be gay af and get raped is going to be a huge asset for us.

I think it’ll help us maneuver quickly to defend against the really bad stuff.


One would think. Unfortunately I'm not sure we're any better prepared innately for it. I do think we have better geographic strongholds and we have Christianity in meaningful amounts.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
71757 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:53 pm to
Not trying to get you. You need help
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10526 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:54 pm to
Read this book many years ago…




At the time Id started delving into the debates on the proposed Constitution, and I was quite surprised just how much the Founding Fathers truly loathed classical democracy and just what lengths they went to prevent “the failure of Athens” in America’s new government. “Democrat” was an epithet for the unruly mob amongst many of them. When Jefferson was first inaugurated and some of his more rowdy supporters trashed the White House during festivities, Martha Washington cursed them as “Democrats”… in the Periclean sense, not the modern political party sense. The Founders had a deep distrust of the notion that just anyone should be able to direct a government.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21576 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:54 pm to
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One would think. Unfortunately I'm not sure we're any better prepared innately for it. I do think we have better geographic strongholds and we have Christianity in meaningful amounts.


I mean, foreign populations are still mostly clustered in the cities. Just like they are in the UK & Europe. If actual conflict broke out it would be relatively easy to just pull back and let the cities die when they stop receiving food, water, electricity.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
174903 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:55 pm to
The issue isn't democracy itself. The issue is who you vote for is becoming less important. The government is owned by corporate and foreign interests and looks at serving the people of the United States as an afterthought.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21576 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:57 pm to
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Not trying to get you. You need help


Please, enough with the gaslighting. Just because I called you an idiot because you have poor reading comprehension, well the DSM doesn't consider that type of behavior as meeting criteria for Schiophrenia.

Now, if you actually want to say anything meaningful, go ahead. If you're just going to try to gaslight me with this ridiculous attitude you can go play in traffic.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 3:58 pm
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