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What’s the board consensus on eliminating the State tax deduction as part of Fed Tax bill?

Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:34 pm
Cali, NY, NJ, CT residents fricked

Guess you reap what you sow.

Interesting that a number of the Republican “NO” votes in the budget today were from reps of those states. They were attempting to stop tax reform.
Posted by cajuncarguy
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:39 pm to
Why should you and I pay more Federal income tax than those in high tax states. Those states should get their house in order.

Of course here in Louisiana we are almost as screwed up as NY, etc. The state budget in Louisiana is growing twice as fast as the economy here.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67989 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:41 pm to
DemocRats in blue states would be swept aside.

Let's do it.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:42 pm to
I love the "States Rights" but only as a talking point crowd.
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:44 pm to
By doubling the standard deduction fewer will be itemizing their deductions anyway
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:44 pm to
No one is denying their right to life in high tax states. We just don’t want to subsidize it.

An inability to deduct those taxes from their federal tax will hopefully bring about pressure to reform taxes in those states.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:50 pm to
But as a matter of taxes you're effectively double charging that particular income.

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:54 pm to
Do I give a frick if someone who lives in Connecticut has to pay local NYC tax and state CT tax in addition to federal taxes?

If they don’t like it, they can vote to change their taxes or they can move to another state.

Insulating them from the true costs of the taxes in the areas where they live and work isn’t my fricking problem.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:54 pm to
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An inability to deduct those taxes from their federal tax will hopefully bring about pressure to reform taxes in those states.



I concur. Keep the elimination of the state and local deductions in the federal plan. Make New York and California, etc make the necessary changes on the state level.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
12026 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:55 pm to
Add Maryland to the list of high state taxes. I have not yet formed a final opinion on the proposed tax reforms but my initial reaction is that something needs to be done and most beginnings are imperfect but necessary.
Posted by Taxing Tiger
Member since Mar 2013
635 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:55 pm to
This is why I support it. Short term it’ll have a negative impact on my tax return (even with increased standard deduction) but I can live with it.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:55 pm to
I live in Texas and am tired of subsidizing them.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:59 pm to
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I love the "States Rights" but only as a talking point crowd.

Yeah this isn’t a “States Rights” issue at all.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:01 pm to
They have the right to change the tax system in their own state.

No one outside of their state is stopping them.

There is absolutely no interference with state's rights.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4046 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:05 pm to
I see it as one. A state has decided to have a certain level of taxation to support a level of provided services. The federal government has decided that the state tax should count as income to be taxed a 2nd time.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4046 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:08 pm to
Does Louisiana pay out more than it receives in federal moneies?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

Why should you and I pay more Federal income tax than those in high tax states. Those states should get their house in order.

this
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98887 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:10 pm to
Those people need to pay their fair share
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15111 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:15 pm to
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No one is denying their right to life in high tax states. We just don’t want to subsidize it.

My thoughts exactly.

But with that said, it's going to be a nail biter vote if they keep the wording to eliminate it. The vote for the budget was 216 to 212, with 3 Republicans and 2 Dems not voting. So lets assume that the 3 Rep would've voted yea, and the Dems would've voted nay, then the vote would've been 219 to 214. That leaves only a 5 vote margin to play with.

So now looking at the Republicans that voted yea for the budget that live in some of these high tax states, they are as follows: NJ-1, CA-14, NY-2, CT-0 (I'm not sure which other states have high enough state taxes to be hurt by losing the tax deductions). So there are at least 17 Republicans from some of these high tax states that voted for the budget, that may not be so willing to vote for a tax plan that causes the tax on their constitutes to go up.

Now there was about 7 or 8 Republicans from states I'm guessing aren't high tax states that did not vote for the budget, so they could be Freedom Caucus members that didn't like the budget but could vote for the tax plan. But either way, it is going to be an extremely tight vote if the part about eliminating the state tax deduction stays in the tax package.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 7:17 pm
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4046 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:15 pm to
Don't most of the states that have higher state taxes also pay out more towards federal taxes than they receive? So shouldn't their residents be asking this question of some southern states?
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