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re: What’s a turn the other cheek Christian to do when mobs invade their churches?

Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:11 am to
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:11 am to
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not their fellow humans obviously in pain
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:13 am to
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Being prepared for confrontation is not the same as seeking it out.



This isn't really responsive.

I specifically mentioned itching for a fight. Now I do think a lot of people who say these things don't really mean it once they consider the outcome (even if successful, threats to their family, prosecution, etc.), but that's nonetheless the rhetoric.
Posted by Quidam65
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Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:29 am to
Jesus brought a whip into the Temple (on possibly two separate occasions) and did some damage to those who were violating the Law.

We can follow His example.
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:30 am to
A Time for Everything

Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 verses 1 through 8:

quote:

To every thing there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate;
A time of war, and a time of peace.
We are all, essentially, wired the same, and with that said there'll be no doubt when the hour has arrived and the time for war has come- if it comes.

Jesus was no coward, and God is a reasonable, just One: Assuming we've adhered as much as humanly possible to the virtues of patience, being slow to anger, prudence, faith, etc., we are allowed- we are justified- to act accordingly for everything that happens under the sun. When the time to act is nigh, we are expected to act.
Posted by klrstix
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:33 am to
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This isn't really responsive.

I specifically mentioned itching for a fight.


While on the one hand I understand your point/concern, I would suggest that the point/concern stems from the assumption that those who are assigned the task of security have the same attitude as some who post in these threads.

My experience has been quite the opposite. In fact, most the "security" personnel at the Churches I know of have law enforcement/security backgrounds. They are professional and quite even tempered. Of course my experience is not widespread.

This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 10:35 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:34 am to
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someone invades a church bent on violence, it's not possible


That’s why I posted the verse.
I’m not a person that believes one should turn the other cheek while being victimized or your family is. I merely was playing devil’s advocate to stir a conversation.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:36 am to
Yeah and I'm not really that concerned.

I just think this conversation is an interesting offshoot of a broader topic - which is the alignment and dangers of alignment of political and Christian defenses right now.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:38 am to
Our church had three police officers that were members. Each were required to carry while off duty. That means at least three guns were in the church when they were at a service.

We didn't worry about outside disruption and intentionally did not reveal the presence of guns at a service......Speak quietly but carry ...
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38357 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:38 am to
Did you miss the "eye for an eye" part?
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3573 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:44 am to
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I just think this conversation is an interesting offshoot of a broader topic - which is the alignment and dangers of alignment of political and Christian defenses right now.




Agreed. I tell my Christian friends all the time, at the end of the day we trust the transforming power of the Gospel. Not policies, politics or any politician...



Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16441 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:44 am to
Once services start, lock the doors. Jesus will too.

Ecc.3
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Posted by PhoenixLSUTiger
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Dec 2007
1410 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:45 am to
Maybe they should just pray about it. That seems to be the answer for everything in their world.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62079 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:50 am to
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Did you miss the "eye for an eye" part?


Did you miss the part where Jesus said we were no longer to follow the eye for an eye command?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:57 am to
Choot ‘em.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:33 am to
I’ve always believed turn the other cheek has to do with minor things that can be brushed off with little to no harm.

If your life is threatened I don’t think Jesus wants you to just sit there and get murdered
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:34 am to
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Did you miss the "eye for an eye" part?


Did you miss the part where Jesus said we were no longer to follow the eye for an eye command?



Yeah.

Actually I ignore it.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46862 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:34 am to
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at the end of the day we trust the transforming power of the Gospel. Not policies, politics or any politician...
Amen.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127390 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:40 am to
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Peter uses a sword against the Roman Soldier
Actually against a servant of the high priest but your point is correct.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:43 am to
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It’s hard to believe in that type of church that none of the parishioners were packing?
He had two pistol magazines on the pulpit
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:44 am to
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My church has a security team (all volunteer church members), and most members conceal carry. Remember, even Jesus whooped some arse to run the thieves out of the temple.


Same. And the church is private property, so if all they do is yell, we'll call the great Sheriff's Office that serves our county first. If they move past yelling to touching anyone, they will BE touched. By lead.
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