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re: What would truly useful gun legislation look like?
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:35 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:35 pm to mmcgrath
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It would be more like shaming the bar that served the driver before watching him drive off. Obviously we actually charge some bars when they are negligent.
Which is also asinine, but how is the bar a victim?
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Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:41 pm to mmcgrath
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Well, I never said "straw purchase for private sale". What should be obvious (but clearly needs to be spelled out for you) is that straw purchases would be limited as the buyer knows that they would have to show up with the gun at an FFL or sheriff office a year later to show they still own that firearm. Or they would have to file a police report that it was stolen, which would carry additional risks.
And you somehow think this will reduce the black market? How about just having the criminals take the guns they've stolen to an FFL or sheriff's office to register them? That should do it, right?
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:42 pm to mmcgrath
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What should be obvious (but clearly needs to be spelled out for you) is that straw purchases would be limited as the buyer knows that they would have to show up with the gun at an FFL or sheriff office a year later to show they still own that firearm. Or they would have to file a police report that it was stolen, which would carry additional risks.
Except you don't have a single shred of empirical evidence to support your opinion. What is really obvious here is that you are extremely uneducated and only have baseless asumptions to support your ignorance-driven arguments.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:58 pm to tadman
My neighbor has been a cop for about 20 years. He is very outspoken about against conceal carry.
He has been talking about it even more now since 3 cops were shot and 2 killed last month in Joplin. They were killed by one of the officers gun. Another officer was shot and killed outside of Farmington, Mo(about 250 miles away) about week a later. He was from the Joplin area.
Conceal carry has been a big topic around here not only because the cops were killed, but a law was passed last month that allows conceal carry on buses and other types public transportation.
Since the shootings cops are on edge around here. One cop has shot a suspect running and there is video of a cop beating a suspect while 2 others were holding him down. The video looks a lot worse than what really happened.
Any type of gun legislation should have input from law enforcement.
He has been talking about it even more now since 3 cops were shot and 2 killed last month in Joplin. They were killed by one of the officers gun. Another officer was shot and killed outside of Farmington, Mo(about 250 miles away) about week a later. He was from the Joplin area.
Conceal carry has been a big topic around here not only because the cops were killed, but a law was passed last month that allows conceal carry on buses and other types public transportation.
Since the shootings cops are on edge around here. One cop has shot a suspect running and there is video of a cop beating a suspect while 2 others were holding him down. The video looks a lot worse than what really happened.
Any type of gun legislation should have input from law enforcement.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:22 pm to mmcgrath
Since you have ignored my responses because you obviously cannot form a coherent response to them..
How does a “universal background check” STOP the black market trade of guns?
Again… if your programming allows you.. let’s focus on the perps and stopping the perps.
And at the same time, hide uncomfortable demographic details about a criminal and send them on their way with cashless or grossly reduced bail.. correct? You can’t say no.. it’s your party’s current recommended method. More punishment of the innocent while coddling the criminal.
The proof is the Dem ran areas. The proof is there of your programmed, and failed, policy wants. They have been enacted.. and they have already failed. But doubling down on failure is nothing new to democrats.
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These are all things caused by the criminal element getting access to a huge black market of guns. This is the thing that Universal Background checks and gun registration would specifically address. I would likewise name and shame any last legit owner of a gun that winds up in a criminal's hands and the nature of how it was stolen.
How does a “universal background check” STOP the black market trade of guns?
Again… if your programming allows you.. let’s focus on the perps and stopping the perps.
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I would likewise name and shame any last legit owner of a gun that winds up in a criminal's hands and the nature of how it was stolen.
And at the same time, hide uncomfortable demographic details about a criminal and send them on their way with cashless or grossly reduced bail.. correct? You can’t say no.. it’s your party’s current recommended method. More punishment of the innocent while coddling the criminal.
The proof is the Dem ran areas. The proof is there of your programmed, and failed, policy wants. They have been enacted.. and they have already failed. But doubling down on failure is nothing new to democrats.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:28 pm to MizzouBS
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My neighbor has been a cop for about 20 years. He is very outspoken about against conceal carry.
I have cops in my family, and a large percentage of them are on some kind of power trip. Many of them don't even care that they would deny citizens of the same kind of protections that they strap on their hip every day.
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Any type of gun legislation should have input from law enforcement.
Why? We live in the same world that they do, and fall victim to the predators of society one hell of a lot more than they do, simply because they are armed. The only input that gun legislation should be filtered through is the Second Amendment.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:37 pm to MizzouBS
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My neighbor has been a cop for about 20 years. He is very outspoken about against conceal carry.
Well I have been driving for close to 20 years (some competitively) and I say the current speed limits, many set in the middle of the 20th century, need to be upped.
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Any type of gun legislation should have input from law enforcement
As much input as I am able to give. They are Law ENFORCEMENT. Not Law CONSULTANTS.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:43 pm to mmcgrath
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Well, I never said "straw purchase for private sale". What should be obvious (but clearly needs to be spelled out for you) is that straw purchases would be limited as the buyer knows that they would have to show up with the gun at an FFL or sheriff office a year later to show they still own that firearm. Or they would have to file a police report that it was stolen, which would carry additional risks
ROFL… from the “poor people can’t get an id to vote and to the polls on Election Day!!1!1!!1!!” Party.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 2:05 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Nope. Blaming the bartender is like blaming the firearm manufacturer (also stupid logically). Try examining the causality. (more precisely the lack of, and who the victim is)
It would be more like shaming the bar that served the driver before watching him drive off. Obviously we actually charge some bars when they are negligent.
ETA: troy got it.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 2:46 pm to tadman
Simple.
Put criminals in jail when they break the law.
Put criminals in jail when they break the law.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 3:47 pm to tadman
I would do something similar to Kennesaw Ga
Posted on 4/20/22 at 3:52 pm to MizzouBS
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My neighbor has been a cop for about 20 years. He is very outspoken about against conceal carry.
He has been talking about it even more now since 3 cops were shot and 2 killed last month in Joplin.
And those people were legally carrying a concealed weapon?
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Any type of gun legislation should have input from law enforcement.
No more than any other citizen.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 4:32 pm to MizzouBS
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My neighbor has been a cop for about 20 years. He is very outspoken about against conceal carry.
So he's dogshit.
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Any type of gun legislation should have input from law enforcement.
Why? Too many of them are as clueless on existing gun laws as a garden-variety gun-control loon.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:00 pm to browl
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Constitutional carry is the only answer.
We legally already have that. It is called the number 2 amendment.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:37 pm to troyt37
quote:Jesus. Could you work your little scenario through that tiny brain of yours? What do you think would happen when a criminal tries to register a stolen gun?
And you somehow think this will reduce the black market? How about just having the criminals take the guns they've stolen to an FFL or sheriff's office to register them? That should do it, right?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:06 am to mmcgrath
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Jesus. Could you work your little scenario through that tiny brain of yours? What do you think would happen when a criminal tries to register a stolen gun?
You need to back off on calling others stupid with that idiotic take. A. Criminal. Isn’t. Going. To. Follow. The. LAW. Is a drunk going to stop by the police station to see if they register DUI before driving home? Again… see the large liberal ran cities. What you advocate for has already been implemented and has failed.
You are not coming up with new ideas. You are doubling down on idiocy that has already failed.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:20 am to tadman
A blank page
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:49 am to mmcgrath
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Jesus. Could you work your little scenario through that tiny brain of yours? What do you think would happen when a criminal tries to register a stolen gun?
I don't think they would. That's the point, you fricking idiot. Criminals don't follow the law. If they did, they wouldn't be criminals. Any gun law, new or old, only makes owning a weapon more burdensome for those who follow the law. Those of us with a brain call that an infringement, and unconstitutional.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:32 am to omegaman66
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omegaman66
Sort of, but not really, and there are far too many restrictions on open/concealed carry and permitting/reciprocity to say the current state of things is "shall not be infringed".
I wouldn't mind speaking with you outside of TD (unrelated to this topic). How can I reach you?
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 3:00 pm
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