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re: What to see how quickly AI is moving, check out this Hospital System CEO
Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:07 pm to mggmd
Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:07 pm to mggmd
quote:In this case, it seems the Radiologists are hospital-employed, which creates its own set of problems. But yes, if the CEO/Facility is calling the shots, that is where liability should lie.
Think the CEO who implemented the use of AI instead of Radiologist should be personally liable.
An ambulance chaser couldn't care less as to what should be though. They go where the deepest pocket money is, and where it is most accessible. Plus, the hospital CEO would almost certainly claim he thought if there was a clinical concern, the Radiologists would have let him know. (Of course, if they ever actually did, he'd thank them kindly, and promise to keep their concerns in mind as he signed their severance checks).
There are also private Radiology groups. In those instances the group, rather than the facility, would be primarily liable for issues associated with corner-cutting their diagnostic interpretations.
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:13 pm to captainFid
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Mean Radiologist salary in the U.S. ~ $420k / year
Say huh?? That's really a radiologists salary? They make close to the same mean salary as Anesthesiologists?
No way a glorified film developer makes as much as an Anesthesiologist.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:43 pm to captainFid
It will happen soon, the price of healthcare is beyond what a middle class family without employer provided insurance can afford. With 200% inspections using 2 different systems I would feel comfortable using it.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:57 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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How would malpractice lawsuits work here?
Same as now. Except decided by AI lawyers to, lol
Whatever happens, AI is taking these kind of decisions. Many many readings are simple. But the more complex can be sent across several radiologist desks for confirmation/consensus.
It will replace lower level, quickly
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:01 pm to captainFid
I want a human being reviewing my scans. It could be a matter of life or death and I ain't got time for AI to teach itself or make mistakes on me.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:06 pm to captainFid
Not surprising. I remember back when I was in residency about how AI was going to take over non interventional radiology and pathology.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:58 pm to GoldenGuy
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I don’t like this, unless we can sue the hospital using the AI for wrongful diagnosis.
AI will likely be more accurate
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:01 pm to CleverUserName
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No way a glorified film developer
There's stupid... and then there's comments like this that take the stupid to a whole 'nother level.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:12 pm to KingOrange
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This is correct.
No, it’s incorrect. He moved the goalposts when he said “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads…” The hospital CEO was not talking about AI-only reads. He said AI would do the initial read and abnormalities would be double checked by radiologists.
Now, if that’s all he said then maybe he would be correct even if he was uttering a non-sequitur. But he started by saying the CEO’s statement was proof that…” That convicts him.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:35 pm to TigerIron
Says the radiologist who missed a labrum tear in mri 1 who suddenly noticed before Surgery 3 after MRI 2
Only 2 extra surgeries due to a simple human mistake
Only 2 extra surgeries due to a simple human mistake
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:56 pm to TigerIron
quote:I'd agree 100% with that take.
Here's what an actual radiologist said, quoted in the same article:
“Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”
It appears the Administrator/CEO in question was already farming out "1st radiographic reads" to India though. So care standards already seem to be of secondary interest to he and his administrative board who are undoubtedly bonused for any profit differential these moves make.
30-35 years ago Pete Stark (who was literally a certifiable loon) passed a series of congressional laws banning MD facility ownership because MDs might "take advantage" of self referrals. Given his premise, Institutions like Ochsners or the Mayo Clinic would never have existed. The evolution of his premise, now in full effect, is that MDs are working for suits in the C-Suite who may have no medical background whatsoever, and are bonused obscenely, not based on outcome or patient satisfaction, but rather on Hospital profits.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:01 pm to CleverUserName
quote:They do. They are far more than "a glorified film developer" though. That's why AI six-fingers is not quite ready for prime time in the field. Perhaps in a few years, with a series of major studies. Not now.
No way a glorified film developer makes as much as an Anesthesiologist.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:11 pm to captainFid
Got a neighbor who’s a radiologist… he’s an absolute fricking idiot, and he’s been reprimanded before for missing things that the next radiologist caught. I would never let him look at x-rays of mine or my family, I’m not sure AI could be any worse.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:19 pm to Penrod
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No, it’s incorrect. He moved the goalposts when he said “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads…” The hospital CEO was not talking about AI-only reads. He said AI would do the initial read and abnormalities would be double checked by radiologists.
Now, if that’s all he said then maybe he would be correct even if he was uttering a non-sequitur. But he started by saying the CEO’s statement was proof that…” That convicts him.
Yeah, I agree with you. Most are going to fight for their field or particular specialty... none of us want to be obsolete. That's to be expected.
But at some point AI will be saving more lives than people can. In, ways, it's advancement, is compounding.
For instance, I have an advance copy of an agentic code release from one of the major AI groups. It does more work for me in 6 minutes, than I could do in many weeks.
I never would have expected this in 4-5 short years. It writes, builds, and debugs code so fast, it reminds me of the end of War Games as WOMPR learns.
I realize I've compared apples to oranges, and radiological scans are 'life critical', but there is no reason it can't help the medical establishment.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:21 pm to TigerIron
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“Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”
Sounds like every defense of a union job I've ever heard.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:25 pm to TigerIron
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“Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”
AI doesn't have 'bad days' or 'off days' and has demonstrated it has equal or higher sensitivity than humans and is extremely good at spotting tiny abnormalities
Human Radiologists do better in edge cases and rare diseases or the plain 'that looks off' even if they can't articulate why
Hospitals would be stupid not to implement AI as an 'assistant' to Radiologists right now
Posted on 4/2/26 at 12:08 am to captainFid
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I realize I've compared apples to oranges, and radiological scans are 'life critical', but there is no reason it can't help the medical establishment.
It will help the medical establishment. And in about five years the only reason there will still be radiologists is because of political action by their lobbyists.
I read something about AI that I believe is true. The writer’s point was that if AI does something now, in the current software generation, but does a half-assed job at it, then in six months it will be nailing it.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:50 am to captainFid
Competency and efficiency rules. AI can take over the feckless Supreme Court Judge’s Chambers and behind Home Plate as well, imo.
So will working folk’s health care cost become cheaper or cost more for this upgrade?
Universal Basic Income is a fait accompli. The non working economic Lower Class poor already has it so it’s just a matter of time before many in the hard working Middle Class folds, throws up their hands and demands a break as well. In good conscience I couldn’t oppose that.
“Lest ye take the number of the beast…” gets closer by the day.
So will working folk’s health care cost become cheaper or cost more for this upgrade?
Universal Basic Income is a fait accompli. The non working economic Lower Class poor already has it so it’s just a matter of time before many in the hard working Middle Class folds, throws up their hands and demands a break as well. In good conscience I couldn’t oppose that.
“Lest ye take the number of the beast…” gets closer by the day.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:59 am to NC_Tigah
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Perhaps in a few years, with a series of major studies.
To be honest...my first thought was how accurate is AI in reading these.
Radiologist shouldn't be concerned if they can beat them.
There has to have already been some studies.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:05 am to Flats
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Sounds like every defense of a union job I've ever heard.
AI will do our jobs better and faster and put a bunch of us out of work.
-- Longshoreman (2024).
-- Writers Guild of America (WGA)(2023).
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