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re: What purpose would taking Kharg Island serve?
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:21 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:21 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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I just hope we have a better plan rebuilding all this oil and gas infrastructure around the region than we had keeping the Strait open
What about this operation makes you think there is a coherent plan?
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:22 pm to B747Tiger
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That’s all fine and dandy but we already did that with the blockade and Iran can still shut down trade through the strait whenever they feel like.
They can prepare an isolated attack when left alone for weeks.
They cannot "shut down trade" when they are getting bombed continuously.
This was the problem in the first place with the ceasefire.
Trust me, under the full weight of the US military, Iran can't control shite.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:22 pm to B747Tiger
Simple. Financially cripple Iran.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:24 pm to Powerman
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What about this operation makes you think there is a coherent plan?
The plan was for the Iranians to overthrow the regime. It didn’t happen. I personally think we missed our chance at it in January. For whatever reason Trump decided to wait. Likely to get more assets in place to conduct the operation and then waiting for the Olympics to be over. By that time all of the momentum the anti-regime protestors had had fun out.
The best outcome we can likely expect now is to control the strait and prove to the world that we’re willing to do so.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:24 pm to B747Tiger
None. Cripple it. Build it back later. Maxi.ize the pain or this war is on for 50 years.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:24 pm to AndyCBR
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Trust me, under the full weight of the US military, Iran can't control shite.
Except they aren’t facing the full weight of the US military.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:24 pm to Powerman
It’s turning out that way isn’t it? They were doing pretty well up until the ceasefire and things went to hell.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:31 pm to Powerman
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What about this operation makes you think there is a coherent plan?
My man, has there ever really been a significant military operation that cleanly and flawlessly went according to a/the “coherent plan” that was originally conceived prior to onset of action? Perhaps the expectations of some among us were unreasonable or irrational or uninformed (in some or all aspects of the matter) to begin with. Not in terms of what one wants/wanted to see from this thing, but rather what the “road” in getting there looks like, realistically and pragmatically.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:45 pm to FeauxPaws
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Approximately 90% to 94% of Iran's crude oil exports are shipped through Kharg Island, making it the country's primary economic lifeline. The terminal handles roughly 1.5 to 1.68 million barrels per day, with some reports specifying that 94% of crude exports and nearly all seaborne trade originate from this single location.
So what? You just presented an argument for disabling Kharg, or disabling upstream pumping stations or pipelines, which we can do from the air. The OP is dead on correct, not just about the futility of taking Kharg but also about the islands they should take. It would be bloody work, though.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:53 pm to Penrod
How do you conclude that it would be “bloody work?” I mean, not that it couldn’t be, and not that it might not be for the enemy, but are you envisioning tens of thousands of starved and rabid Iranian soldiers dug into vast underground/mountain tunnel complexes preparing for bonsai attacks on unsuspecting American troops? I’m not seeing it, certainly not with the advanced weapons technology we possess these’a days.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:58 pm to davyjones
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How do you conclude that it would be “bloody work?” I mean, not that it couldn’t be, and not that it might not be for the enemy, but are you envisioning tens of thousands of starved and rabid Iranian soldiers dug into vast underground/mountain tunnel complexes preparing for bonsai attacks on unsuspecting American troops? I’m not seeing it, certainly not with the advanced weapons technology we possess these’a days.
If we were to physically take the islands, whether it’s Kharg or Larak or Qeshm or Tunb it would involve casualties. But the even bigger threat would be that once we take them they would be very under constant threat of drone and missile attack from Iran. Especially during the first few days before we could set up air defenses. But that’s kind of the point. They would be absorbing most of the munitions currently going towards ships in the strait and other gulf nations.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:21 pm to B747Tiger
Don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not denying the stark possibility of American casualties. Perhaps even “likelihood” as opposed to “possibility,” to some extent (hopefully to a very much lesser extent, obviously, if this were to become reality). But I’m just of the opinion that our capabilities and available “packages” are far more lethal and far reaching than some of us might wish to acknowledge.
I think it’s clear that we haven’t even really made any real effort [yet, intentionally so] to “soften up” the island, which ostensibly greatly mitigates the threat from the/any enemy stationed there (much like our WWII Pacific theater island warfare strategy(ies), but much, much more powerful and effective). Thus, if I had to make a prediction, their actual on-island defense mechanisms would be greatly inhibited if not mostly destroyed.
As far as their capabilities from afar, i.e. land based or shore based weapons systems, I also think it’s clear that we still have those types of targets in our own sights, ready and available for destruction (judging from our intermittent strikes on targets of that description. As to why such identified targets may not have been hit yet, I personally believe it’s impractical and unrealistic to assume “we” don’t have specific reasons for those decisions to either strike or hold off for the moment.
Good talk though, I appreciate your “professionalism” and apparent lack of “chippiness.” Good, informative discussion is had your way.
I think it’s clear that we haven’t even really made any real effort [yet, intentionally so] to “soften up” the island, which ostensibly greatly mitigates the threat from the/any enemy stationed there (much like our WWII Pacific theater island warfare strategy(ies), but much, much more powerful and effective). Thus, if I had to make a prediction, their actual on-island defense mechanisms would be greatly inhibited if not mostly destroyed.
As far as their capabilities from afar, i.e. land based or shore based weapons systems, I also think it’s clear that we still have those types of targets in our own sights, ready and available for destruction (judging from our intermittent strikes on targets of that description. As to why such identified targets may not have been hit yet, I personally believe it’s impractical and unrealistic to assume “we” don’t have specific reasons for those decisions to either strike or hold off for the moment.
Good talk though, I appreciate your “professionalism” and apparent lack of “chippiness.” Good, informative discussion is had your way.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:25 pm to B747Tiger
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Nobody cares that we sunk their navy and destroyed their Air Force or buried their nuclear program under a mountain.
This level of stupidity is just unbelievable.
Hey dipshit, guess who cares about this? The only people who actually fricking matter. The Iranians who operated those naval vessels, air defenses, and nuclear program.
And everyone else who had to put up with their terrorist proxies who are also being taken out and defunded by all of this.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:27 pm to B747Tiger
Who would read that retarded drivel? If you dont understand you're either trolling or retarded. Neither justify reading more than the subject line and laughing at your stupidity.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:30 pm to Penrod
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Approximately 90% to 94% of Iran's crude oil exports are shipped through Kharg Island, making it the country's primary economic lifeline. The terminal handles roughly 1.5 to 1.68 million barrels per day, with some reports specifying that 94% of crude exports and nearly all seaborne trade originate from this single location.
So what? You just presented an argument for disabling Kharg, or disabling upstream pumping stations or pipelines, which we can do from the air. The OP is dead on correct, not just about the futility of taking Kharg but also about the islands they should take. It would be bloody work, though.
Or just resume the naval blockade
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:34 pm to B747Tiger
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Okay, thanks for the ChatGPT quote. Did you read my post?
If you don’t understand the explanation that you’re questioning, ChatGPT or not, then you’re too fricking stupid to start a conversation on this subject.
No offense
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:58 pm to B747Tiger
We have a division of bored marines just itching to fight anyone. Best let them off the boats and do their thing.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:58 pm to B747Tiger
It allows jerk off alters to start retard threads!
Posted on 7/8/26 at 9:02 pm to B747Tiger
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B747Tiger
This user just recently joined this site and their handle is a clear play on the "8647" thing that people are being arrested for.
I imagine the admins will deal with this at some point.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 9:03 pm to BoarEd
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This user just recently joined this site and their handle is a clear play on the "8647" thing that people are being arrested for.
WTF lol?
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