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re: What is wrong with Project 2025?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:27 pm to burger bearcat
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:27 pm to burger bearcat
Absolutely nothing is wrong with Project 2025.
Conservative think tank working on game plan to start a Trump administration.
Recommendations for Trump and team.
“Aims to significantly reshape federal governance by reducing the size of the federal government, promoting traditional family values, and enforcing stringent immigration policies.”
Conservative think tank working on game plan to start a Trump administration.
Recommendations for Trump and team.
“Aims to significantly reshape federal governance by reducing the size of the federal government, promoting traditional family values, and enforcing stringent immigration policies.”
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:32 pm to G&P
Pretty much 100% of Project 2025 is based in reality and accurate in the sense of it spotting major problems and obstacles in the culture.
Conservatives should generally agree on that point.
The remedies are what I would argue reasonable minds could disagree on, but I generally like that there are people willing to start having these discussions. Even if you're not a Christian or strong conservative, I think there is some value to having this counterbalance out there.
Conservatives should generally agree on that point.
The remedies are what I would argue reasonable minds could disagree on, but I generally like that there are people willing to start having these discussions. Even if you're not a Christian or strong conservative, I think there is some value to having this counterbalance out there.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:39 pm to ThuperThumpin
I'm not sure your gotcha attempts will satisfy you, considering nobody has claimed to agree with 100% of the document, especially the remedies. At least nobody that I would believe if they claimed to have reviewed the entire thing.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:44 pm to burger bearcat
If implemented it would save the Republic. Problem is, Republic might not be worth saving.
I’m in the Great Realignment of North America camp myself. I share no common values with a large portion of the west coast and upper east coast. Smaller nation states is the way.
I’m in the Great Realignment of North America camp myself. I share no common values with a large portion of the west coast and upper east coast. Smaller nation states is the way.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:45 pm to burger bearcat
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What is wrong with Project 2025?
IDK. I have not read it but the Dems are demonizing it so it's probably pretty good.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:45 pm to kingbob
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It’s basically the political manifesto of anti-Trump neocons and social conservatives, but Trump is being blamed for it by the media despite disavowing huge stretches of it.
This
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:47 pm to G&P
It’s a classic example of conservatives grossly overestimating and overstepping their mandate. The same people who think the left has gone insane on social issues think the same of social conservatives trying to ban porn and contraceptives.
Or, more accurately, conservatives purposely trying to sabotage rival conservatives by attributing fringe opinions on wedge social issues to said rival despite their rival’s objections.
Or, more accurately, conservatives purposely trying to sabotage rival conservatives by attributing fringe opinions on wedge social issues to said rival despite their rival’s objections.
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:54 pm to kingbob
The left has no mandate for half the things they're pushing but they do it anyway, and over time, very effectively and consistently by allowing it to take root in people who shape policy, businesses, etc.
Conservatives need conservative "radicalism" (most of these views were very commonly held and not that long ago) to combat it. Populism will not be effective in the long term to do so, and it's short sighted for MAGA types to undercut this sort of thing.
The traction was overstated, just say you have no connection to it and move on. In reality, that's 10x more than the mainstream dems do with their crazies.
Conservatives need conservative "radicalism" (most of these views were very commonly held and not that long ago) to combat it. Populism will not be effective in the long term to do so, and it's short sighted for MAGA types to undercut this sort of thing.
The traction was overstated, just say you have no connection to it and move on. In reality, that's 10x more than the mainstream dems do with their crazies.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:57 pm to joe68
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Everything
thanks for clearing that up
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:57 pm to ThuperThumpin
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So you support locking up folks on Only Fans? Should X (Twitter) be shut down for facilitating the spread of pornography.....? what say you freedom loving conservatives?
Project 25 only gets rid of child and gay porn. And even then there is a carve out for lipstick lesbian scenes.
Try again, pedo.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:57 pm to Pettifogger
If MAGA means censorship and restricting individual liberties for consenting adults, I’m really not into that. I am not a social conservative, nor do I support WOKE DEI bullcrap. Being forced to choose between a false dichotomy of social conservative fun police and woke fun police isn’t a real choice now is it?
And no, it’s not just gay/child porn. They’re coming for ALL porn, and it’s not really about “porn” at the end of thday, but empowering a government agency to censor content that it finds unacceptable for people to consume. Such censorship NEVER stops at porn, and I don’t trust any government agency to determine what art/entertainment is acceptable vs unacceptable.
Thankfully, Trump opposes many tenets of Project 2025.
And no, it’s not just gay/child porn. They’re coming for ALL porn, and it’s not really about “porn” at the end of thday, but empowering a government agency to censor content that it finds unacceptable for people to consume. Such censorship NEVER stops at porn, and I don’t trust any government agency to determine what art/entertainment is acceptable vs unacceptable.
Thankfully, Trump opposes many tenets of Project 2025.
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:59 pm to burger bearcat
The New Democrat narrative to get Trump.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:01 pm to burger bearcat
Check out the IG account ghettowaze 2.0. It’s run by some Baton Rouge democrat who’s all up in arms about project 2025.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:02 pm to G&P
The Lefts biggest concerns:
"Project 2025, initiated by the Heritage Foundation and its partners, aims to outline a conservative vision for the next presidential term. Here are some of the biggest concerns associated with Project 2025:
Environmental Regulations: There is concern that the project could lead to the rollback of environmental protections, potentially exacerbating climate change and harming ecosystems.
Healthcare: Critics worry that changes proposed by Project 2025 could result in reduced access to healthcare, especially for vulnerable populations, by cutting funding for programs like Medicaid and Medicare.
Social Programs: There is apprehension that the project might lead to cuts in social welfare programs, affecting low-income families, the elderly, and people with disabilities.
Education: Concerns include the potential for increased privatization of education, reduced funding for public schools, and the promotion of school choice policies that might undermine public education.
Immigration: The project’s stance on immigration could lead to stricter policies and enforcement, raising fears of increased deportations and a more challenging environment for immigrants.
Civil Liberties: There are worries that Project 2025 could result in policies that limit civil liberties and rights, particularly regarding reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and voting rights.
Economic Inequality: Critics argue that the project might prioritize tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, potentially increasing economic inequality.
Foreign Policy: Some are concerned that Project 2025 could advocate for a more isolationist or aggressive foreign policy, which might affect international relations and global stability.
These concerns reflect a range of potential impacts that could arise from the implementation of policies associated with Project 2025."
"Project 2025, initiated by the Heritage Foundation and its partners, aims to outline a conservative vision for the next presidential term. Here are some of the biggest concerns associated with Project 2025:
Environmental Regulations: There is concern that the project could lead to the rollback of environmental protections, potentially exacerbating climate change and harming ecosystems.
Healthcare: Critics worry that changes proposed by Project 2025 could result in reduced access to healthcare, especially for vulnerable populations, by cutting funding for programs like Medicaid and Medicare.
Social Programs: There is apprehension that the project might lead to cuts in social welfare programs, affecting low-income families, the elderly, and people with disabilities.
Education: Concerns include the potential for increased privatization of education, reduced funding for public schools, and the promotion of school choice policies that might undermine public education.
Immigration: The project’s stance on immigration could lead to stricter policies and enforcement, raising fears of increased deportations and a more challenging environment for immigrants.
Civil Liberties: There are worries that Project 2025 could result in policies that limit civil liberties and rights, particularly regarding reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and voting rights.
Economic Inequality: Critics argue that the project might prioritize tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, potentially increasing economic inequality.
Foreign Policy: Some are concerned that Project 2025 could advocate for a more isolationist or aggressive foreign policy, which might affect international relations and global stability.
These concerns reflect a range of potential impacts that could arise from the implementation of policies associated with Project 2025."
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:03 pm to kingbob
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If MAGA means censorship and restricting individual liberties for consenting adults, I’m really not into that. I am not a social conservative, nor do I support WOKE DEI bullcrap. Being forced to choose between a false dichotomy of social conservative fun police and woke fun police isn’t a real choice now is it?
Thankfully, Trump opposes many tenets of Project 2025.
I'm not a libertarian. Social conservatism is embedded in and inseparable from the conservative movement. I do not think free markets and individual autonomy are strong enough to hold up against the countervailing forces of progressivism, and I think we're seeing that daily.
I understand your point, I just think we have pretty ample data at this point that committing the right to either populism or libertarianism is going to mean we're constantly ceding ground to the left.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:05 pm to Eurocat
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Well another poster on this board says the exact opposite - here is a link to his post -
And I really don't care about that. I see parallels and dissimilarities between the two ideas.
It doesn't change the fact that Agenda 47 =/= Project 2025, no matter how you spin it. Each to their own as far as opinions go.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:13 pm to GRTiger
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I'm not sure your gotcha attempts will satisfy you, considering nobody has claimed to agree with 100% of the document, especially the remedies. At least nobody that I would believe if they claimed to have reviewed the entire thing.
Its not a gotcha....the subject of Proejct 2025 has been brought up many times on this board and when I point out the pornography section folks always call bullshite b/c it sounds too extreme....and it is too extreme. and the OP asked "Why are we supposed to not like it?"
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:14 pm to burger bearcat
Is Project 2025 Russia Gate 2.0?
AKA - a completely fabricated story about Trump.
AKA - a completely fabricated story about Trump.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:16 pm to burger bearcat
I read the VA section because some chick posted a list of benefits being taken away under the plan.
The section isn’t short, so most won’t read it, and they will just believe what a lying bitch on the internet says.
The section isn’t short, so most won’t read it, and they will just believe what a lying bitch on the internet says.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:26 pm to Rebel
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Project 25 only gets rid of child and gay porn. And even then there is a carve out for lipstick lesbian scenes.
Try again, pedo.
Dude calling me or anyone a pedo for pointing out something that most would consider a major 1st amendment problem is really fricking shitty of you.
I even mentioned that they did not distinguish b/t sexually oriented materials that maybe be available to children in libraries (which most here would agree is bad) and porn produced and consumed among consenting adults to try to make it easier for you to see my point.
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