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re: What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:30 pm to Captain Rumbeard
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:30 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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I worked for a place that was built to house the nine worst, most violent, older male foster kids in the state of Louisiana back in the day. It was the most soul destroying place for everyone involved. These kids had been in the system forever and were completely institutionalized. Extremely violent. Psychotics. Lots of victims of sexual abuse and worse. That was back in the 90's but we knew that those kids were probably not going to make it. And I doubt any of them did. But they definitely made society worse when they got out in it. I'd read about them now and then. Killing people. Robbing. Dying.
That sounds awful.
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:31 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Are you as concerned about the unborn babies?
And how do we stop another baby from dying the same way?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:33 pm to 4cubbies
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Now he's alone with a 4-month-old infant, with no one to help. No family, no mentors, no parenting classes, no safety net.
No safety net? Children under 5 are eligible for wic. And his household, assuming he meets the income requirements, is eligible for Snap.
You can lead a horse to water...
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:33 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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What is your understanding of his lack of “options” or at least his thought that he has none?
I can understand how a teenager with no family or support and no place to live would feel hopeless.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:34 pm to 4cubbies
I'm aging myself and my parents were older. My mom was orphaned by the time she was nine. She lost her dad before her first birthday. She went to relatives who raised her. She went to nursing school and became an Army nurse in WWII. She did alright.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:36 pm to dgnx6
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No safety net? Children under 5 are eligible for wic. And his household, assuming he meets the income requirements, is eligible for Snap.
My assumption is that this man lacked actual parenting skills, more than baby formula.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:37 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Then he needs to get up and get some. Not wait for someone else to give those skills to him.
My assumption is that this man lacked actual parenting skills, more than baby formula.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:39 pm to Lsupimp
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His poverty is a poverty of character and the implication that he is on some inevitable path to victimizing people is an insult to disadvantaged people who don’t victimize others.
He was never on an inevitable path to victimizing others.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:39 pm to 4cubbies
It’s not solely their fault but we incentivize no change by having welfare and all the other benefits to failing. Just like there wouldn’t be people still begging for money on the street if do-gooders would stop giving them money.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:39 pm to 4cubbies
Is there any society or country that has successfully and quickly instilled in a broken teenage criminal responsibility and parenting skills via social programming?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:40 pm to RollTide4547
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Then he needs to get up and get some. Not wait for someone else to give those skills to him.
This is literally the outcome of what you are suggesting. A baby is dead and a man is in jail.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:41 pm to 4cubbies
How about military service where they can learn a skill and serve and perhaps even go to college? Forcing military isn’t right, I know. But with these situations, what other options are there? This is for those like him, not those who lucked out in a good foster home and has future goals.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:44 pm to Dixie2023
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How about military service where they can learn a skill and serve and perhaps even go to college?
The military could raise these kids from a young age into fighting machines. Plus, it would give the women something to do besides fly helicopters into passenger jets.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:46 pm to Dixie2023
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How about military service where they can learn a skill and serve and perhaps even go to college? Forcing military isn’t right, I know. But with these situations, what other options are there? This is for those like him, not those who lucked out in a good foster home and has future goals.
I agree that joining the military does seem like the best option for someone in that situation.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:53 pm to Padme
quote:This is not the answer. Should the police and emergency services look away when you need them? How about our highways and streets? Go back to the privately owned tolls? Foster children need services that only the government can deliver to large numbers.
Well the first thing is to look away from government being the nanny
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:57 pm to Christopher Columbo
Possibly! But, seriously. If someone is aging out of foster care with nothing and no hope, why not make that offer? What does that person have to lose? They certainly can gain.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:58 pm to 4cubbies
quote:In my town there are at least 2 fire stations that have what I'll call "drop boxes" where people can drop off babies if those "parents" can't take proper care of them. No questions asked. He could have found the solution if he had wanted to. People never have the time, energy, money or effort to do the things they need to do. But they always have the time, energy, money and effort to do the things they want to do.
A baby is dead and a man is in jail.
Earlier I asked you if you cared as much about the unborn babies and you didn't answer. Think we both know why you did not answer. What happened in the few months the baby was outside the womb than makes you now think it has value?
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:04 pm to RollTide4547
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Earlier I asked you if you cared as much about the unborn babies and you didn't answer.
Have you ever heard the expression "I'm not going to dignify that with an answer"?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:06 pm to 4cubbies
Are you ever going to answer what you are personally doing about it, including how many kids you are currently fostering, or will you continue to hide behind “that’s personal” because you’d rather delegate from the sidelines despite your alleged concern for this “societal” issue? Or are you simply choosing not to be a member of society when it comes to this particular problem?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:08 pm to stout
Nope. Your interactions with me are purely antagonistic. Why would I give you more information about myself? Why would you feel entitled to knowing these things about me?
I'm cool with you thinking whatever you want about me.
I'm cool with you thinking whatever you want about me.
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