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re: What is Putin’s Off-Ramp to this fiasco !

Posted on 3/10/22 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37705 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 3:49 pm to
I keep saying this is a disaster for Russia and Putin. This will spell the end of Vlad. He won't survive this ultimately.

Posted by George Dickel
Member since Jun 2019
1612 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 3:54 pm to
What worries me is that Biden is commander in chief with the nuke briefcase.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10954 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:01 pm to
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This is a reasonable offer for Russia
which could have probably been made a month ago and saved the entire world all this shite. Now I'm not sure either side would accept it.
There were plenty of posts saying why should Russia determine who can join nato? A valid point when dealing with rational people. But obviously that isn't the case. When digging bodies out of rubble is the alternative I would have made that agreement. Who gives a shite if Ukraine is in NATO when a building is falling on your head?
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34239 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
A gallows and a rope, or a sane person in Moscow putting a bullet in Putin's head
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43895 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
quit listening to the Atlantic Council think tank bs
Posted by Langland
Trumplandia
Member since Apr 2014
15382 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
Ukraine in his back pocket.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
9056 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:10 pm to
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Putin’s Off-Ramp


He passed it about a month ago.

All go, no wow now.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:12 pm to
Occupy the eastern portions of Ukraine (basically East of the Dnieper), where Russia has more support, take control of the capital, install a government friendly to Moscow, and retreat to the eastern states while arming the new government.
Posted by neilh
Member since Apr 2013
322 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:13 pm to
interesting anaysis T Boy
you well could be right
I would only hope that somehow Binden gets an advisor with some smarts that gives Biden some advice that enables that which you say
Neilh
Posted by neilh
Member since Apr 2013
322 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:17 pm to
that's for sure
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23834 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:18 pm to
It is apparent that the Administration strategists are way ahead on this one. Biden has not made any knee-jerk statements or commitments. Everything has been methodical. They understand the situation and it appears to be Putin and his team who has made the significant tactical error. I could be totally off base, but I don't think I am. Russia is isolated here, not the United States or Western Europe. The trap is well set.
Posted by neilh
Member since Apr 2013
322 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:20 pm to
hope you are right
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15466 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:24 pm to
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This is a reasonable offer for Russia. At this point though, the US has the upper hand by a wide margin. We have kept out of the mud and maintained military neutrality while inflicting a blow to Russia that is still growing.


Unfortunately - We do not have the upper hand.

We do, however, have a unique ability to make this happen and we are not in part bc the MIC wants war bc $$$ and somebody in our own government is hiding some secret motivation. That’s what makes me furious about the whole situation.

I don’t have a dog in this fight and neither do you. The only thing negatively affecting our county is the economic shrapnel we’re getting hit with - partially self inflicted by globalist moronic ness but exacerbated by incredibly bad judgment to date. There is no danger that Putin is invading us. Russia does not have the economic wherewithal to actually run Ukraine. Putin doesn’t want to seize a third world country just bc he can. The dude is lethal and will kill ppl - but he doesn’t want to take on a welfare state half of which hates his fricking guts.

Military involvement is a net negative for us. Everyone else but the MIC and the moron running this country realizes that.

Nobody wants a war.

Putin doesn’t want Ukraine.

Putin just wants a NATO buffer and we’re getting outplayed by him and China bc the people involved on the US’s behalf arent interested in what’s best for the country, or for Ukraine - but instead in preserving their little whatever they have going on over there that they don’t want anyone involved (not Russia, not Americans, not ordinary Ukrainians) to know about.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23834 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:25 pm to
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hope you are right

I do too. Our key indicator is whether Putin makes a break in his demands for an end to the war and offers something significantly different in the coming days. That will signal that Putin has realized his weakness. If that happens, the strength of Biden's position will become clear and he will remain silent and unavailable to Russia in the negotiations.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23834 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:26 pm to
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Unfortunately - We do not have the upper hand.

That's why you are not my lawyer.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:26 pm to
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I keep saying this is a disaster for Russia and Putin.
Yes you do.
Time will tell.

Vlad is a more calculating, more detail-oriented, more pragmatic leader than his EU counterparts and infinitely more so than PotatoBrain. Not a moral judgement. Not supportive of Putin. Just matter-of -fact, the way it is.

None of that means you're wrong. Putin is lined up opposite a behemoth of collected economies. From that standpoint, Russia should be a massive underdog here.

Assuming Vlad doesn't know Russia is at potential disadvantage, hasn't analyzed that fact, hasn't studied respondent contingencies, and isn't a step or two ahead of the West in planning would be a HUGE mistake!
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 4:28 pm
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15466 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:30 pm to
Well - if you can’t see the extreme risk that military involvement would do to our countrymen, ourselves, our coffers and peace and stability in the world- I’d probably fire you as a client.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23834 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

Well - if you can’t see the extreme risk that military involvement would do to our countrymen, ourselves, our coffers and peace and stability in the world- I’d probably fire you as a client.

You are absolutely correct here.

We will not get involved militarily.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5761 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 5:08 pm to
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At this point, Ukraine holds the stronger cards.


This is good news for the Biden's money laundering platform in Ukraine and keeps Hunter's cashflow going with his biolabs, gas, oil, hookers and whatever other crooked deals he's got going in Ukraine.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5761 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 5:13 pm to
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what worries me most about this situation is we are stuck with a Carter


No it's much worse. Carter was a pacifist but not a crooked slime ball, perverted old grifter.
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