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re: What happens when what happened in 2020 transpires in 2024?
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:52 am to Paddyshack
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:52 am to Paddyshack
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You guys pretend the election was legit in order to use it as a referendum against Trump,
I don’t pretend anything. It’s a fact not enough evidence was found to overturn the results in any state.
You’re pretending like that’s not a fact.
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:54 am to grizzlylongcut
The last peaceful protest will look like the ones in Boston and Lexington and Concord.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:54 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:54 am to Jon Ham
Al Capone wasn’t involved in any sort of bootlegging or mafia-related activities. They never produced evidence for a court to convict him. He just didn’t report all his income and pay taxes on it.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:55 am to grizzlylongcut
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What happens when that happens?
Republicans will blame each other, and divide even further, while the Democrats revel in their accomplishments, and continue to flawlessly execute their plan to destroy America.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:56 am to Mo Jeaux
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Al Capone wasn’t involved in any sort of bootlegging or mafia-related activities. They never produced evidence for a court to convict him.
Evidence matters.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 7:58 am to wackatimesthree
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Which brings us back to number one. I don't think you're going to find that group of people as long as life in America is as comfortable as it is. It would have to devolve a couple of orders of magnitude before we got to that point IMO.
Who the President is, or even what party is in power, has very little impact on the day to day lives of most people.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:02 am to wackatimesthree
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We still have too much bread and too many circuses for anyone to be willing to upset the apple cart in America.
This, and the "we're weak, we suck" posts miss this simple fact of human nature. As Americans we're not special in a good or bad way, we're just fat and happy and fat and happy people need really, REALLY good reasons to start a civil war. 99.9% of the people who take up arms against their government don't have much to lose.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:04 am to Jon Ham
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I don’t pretend anything. It’s a fact not enough evidence was found to overturn the results in any state.
You’re pretending like that’s not a fact.
I'm generally sympathetic to your point of view. However, this rebuttal doesn't sway me much.
It's my understanding that there are strict time limits on presenting evidence to challenge an election. In this case I think there was compelling evidence, but it wasn't gathered until 6 months or more after the election.
The problem is that I think those time limits are in place to reduce the degree of disruption caused if an election ever is overturned, and I get the reasoning on that. If something like that is going to happen you want to deal with it preferably before the candidate is sworn in.
However, the cost of that thinking is that if it takes some time to gather compelling evidence, you're SOL.
It seems at some point our country decided that we preferred to err on the side of reducing instability rather than seeking the truth of an election. We'd rather have a stable but stolen election than the truth producing an unstable situation.
In any case, I view the, "Well, all the courts struck down the legal attempts to throw out votes" not as necessarily being proof that it didn't happen. I view it like a piece of evidence that the rules of evidence don't allow to be presented that, if it were presented, would likely change the outcome of the ruling.
Just like the recent Danny Masterson re-trial.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 8:06 am
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:06 am to grizzlylongcut
The R Party says “wull nupm we could do bout it”
I plan to call the R part HQ again in 2024 and say “come pick up my signed ballot and do what you want with it”
The will react like they did last time. Crickets
I plan to call the R part HQ again in 2024 and say “come pick up my signed ballot and do what you want with it”
The will react like they did last time. Crickets
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:07 am to Flats
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fat and happy people need really, REALLY good reasons to start a civil war. 99.9% of the people who take up arms against their government don't have much to lose.
Yep.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:12 am to grizzlylongcut
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What happens when that happens?
Their plan is to have the Right erupt into violence. Then they can finish their plans for a police state and cement their one party totalitarian government.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:14 am to wackatimesthree
Just because a court refuses to see the evidence doesn’t preclude the evidence from being shown to the public via other methods. If Trump was serious about 2020 being stolen, and he had evidence that the courts simply wouldn’t look at, he would do something like have a website outlining all of it for the public to see.
After listening to the testimony of those in Trump’s camp, and reading the facts in the 2020 Election indictment, it’s clear Trump and his team were not simply following the evidence. Trump’s agenda, before the results even started coming in, was to claim victory no matter what. If the official results said he lost, he was going to claim fraud then try to make the case, not look for evidence and then build the case from there. When fraud wasn’t substantiated, he tried to use a crackpot theory that his VP could close his eyes and cover his ears on January 6 and that would let him stay in office and result in some sort of constitutional crisis which he could leverage.
After listening to the testimony of those in Trump’s camp, and reading the facts in the 2020 Election indictment, it’s clear Trump and his team were not simply following the evidence. Trump’s agenda, before the results even started coming in, was to claim victory no matter what. If the official results said he lost, he was going to claim fraud then try to make the case, not look for evidence and then build the case from there. When fraud wasn’t substantiated, he tried to use a crackpot theory that his VP could close his eyes and cover his ears on January 6 and that would let him stay in office and result in some sort of constitutional crisis which he could leverage.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:14 am to grizzlylongcut
quote:We'll be told to not believe our lying eyes, otherwise we're a danger to the Dem-ocracy.
What happens when that happens?
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:14 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Did he though? Was the election only legit for his totals?
Definitely not. Was closer to about 88mil votes from my research
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:16 am to Jon Ham
quote:You need to quit choking on the Meatball sausage and let your brain get some much-needed oxygen.
Jon Ham
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:16 am to Jon Ham
quote:
Just because a court refuses to see the evidence doesn’t preclude the evidence from being shown to the public via other methods. If Trump was serious about 2020 being stolen, and he had evidence that the courts simply wouldn’t look at, he would do something like have a website outlining all of it for the public to see.
Cue the Hannity: tick tock
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:17 am to lsuguy84
"2020 wont happen as long as Desantis is the nom, trust me"- Jon Spam
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:18 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:26 am to wackatimesthree
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Which brings us back to number one. I don't think you're going to find that group of people as long as life in America is as comfortable as it is. It would have to devolve a couple of orders of magnitude before we got to that point IMO.
Bingo. Even our poor have it better than 95 percent of planet earth.
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