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What does a conservative Supreme court system mean for those in their 20s
Posted on 7/10/18 at 2:52 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 2:52 am
I understand that people do not like far leftist politics (neither do I) but I have always held the belief that having some balance of power is necessary to rule effectively.
1. Will we see more planned attacks against gay marriage? I personally do not support it, but I do not care if gays or lesbians marry. I do not believe our courts should dictate who people should love. I respect the religious but stopping someone else happiness just to prove a prove is absurd. In all practicality, it would make the US no better than Saudi Arabia or any other ME country using Islam as an authoritarian rule. And no, I am not a Muslim.
2. Is the religious right going to attack abortion? Will SCOTUS realize that allowing states to end abortion will ultimately just lead to an increase in welfare dependence? The states that will be anti-abortion will ironically be the poorest states in the union. I do not know how this will pan out unless welfare costs are pushed onto states who make strict laws.
3. I really don't care about affirmative action. Mostly because the only places that practice it en masse are educational institutions. And depending on the aptitude of the students, it is very likely many minorities will get accepted into another good public school. It could even push some people into vocational schools. This would actually be more beneficial than that overload of liberal arts majors we a producing at every level of the university.
4. How will they SCOTUS vote on issues regarding the absolute failure that is the "War on Drugs/Poverty". How can anybody call these people real conservatives when they ban a plant that has less harmful effects than alcohol I can buy at my local grocery store? Also, I don't see any actions being attempted by the GOP majority to make desperate reforms to welfare.
5. Will they push the same gynocentric divorce laws? This is one thing I always accuse conservatives of, and that is having no spine in "courts of equity". It is the biggest joke of our legal system.
Need to get some rest, I may come up with more tomorrow.
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Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:00 am to volod
It means there's a faint glimmer of hope this country may still be recognizable when you reach your 40's.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:02 am to volod
Abortion will be legal in 28 states, and illegal in 22 states, mostly southern -- until the Hispanics take over Florida and Texas.
68% of all babies born in Texas are Hispanic or black.
68% of all babies born in Texas are Hispanic or black.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:26 am to volod
I don't think Trump wants to rock the boat like that. First off, he's not that kind of Republican. He's not religious at all. He'll wait until his second term to do any of that, if at all. I doubt any of that stuff gets reviewed. Drugs though...I can see Trump looking to do something major. If not soon, then definitely in his second go round in the White House. He needs to probably get rid of Sessions though.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:30 am to Shiftyplus1
Drugs - I believe the 28 states with abortion will have the right to recreational marijuana.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:51 am to matthew25
Trump won 30 states, not 22. Your math is off.
Besides, nobody is repealing roe vs Wade.
Besides, nobody is repealing roe vs Wade.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:09 am to volod
Learn to whistle the theme song to The Andy Griffith Show.
We are going back in time.
We are going back in time.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:21 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
My goodness, you are filled with so much irrational fear.
Get a grip.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:29 am to volod
It means that they can grow up in a society with a little more consistency and order than previously allotted to them. Yalls worse case, our best case, it means that the Federal Govts Power will be slightly de-centralized and democracy will be stronger because it will exist much greater on a local level so that if the people of Louisiana for example don’t want to require a business to make a 3rd bathroom for a pwrson without a penis or a vagina they don’t have to.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:57 am to volod
In all you hypotheses, you describe a government who has really overstepped their obligation.
Conservatives want less government involvement (when dealing with liberalism vs conservatism. Dont really count libertarians because I have yet to figure out what they really support).
Conservatives want less government involvement (when dealing with liberalism vs conservatism. Dont really count libertarians because I have yet to figure out what they really support).
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:58 am to volod
Judges are not there to make laws.
Congress makes laws.
Executive branch enforced laws.
Supreme Court makes sure that the laws are congruent with the constitution.
The biggest problem in our current government is “regulation”. Basically agencies create rules with the effect of law without any legislative process.
Another issue is just “big government” in general. Most things should be left to the states as stipulated in the constitution. Our federal government is out of control.
Making additional laws from the bench is counter to our constitution.
Congress makes laws.
Executive branch enforced laws.
Supreme Court makes sure that the laws are congruent with the constitution.
The biggest problem in our current government is “regulation”. Basically agencies create rules with the effect of law without any legislative process.
Another issue is just “big government” in general. Most things should be left to the states as stipulated in the constitution. Our federal government is out of control.
Making additional laws from the bench is counter to our constitution.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:20 am to volod
quote:It means stability and a better means of predicting the future, and preparing for it.
What does a conservative Supreme court system mean for those in their 20s
When it comes to judges, especially on the Supreme Court, "conservative" and "liberal" means different things than it does for the legislature and executive branches.
"Conservative" means the law is as written, and applies to that which is written. And the Constitution (and Bill of Rights etc) again, apply as written.
"Liberal" means that the laws are open and you can extrapolate some unwritten intent.
So with a conservative Supreme Court, you should have a better sense of whether something will be upheld or overturned, simply by examining the various laws etc, and seeing if they actually apply to the case in question, in some definition.
With a liberal court, there's more of a "oh, there isn't a law written about this, but there's something similar, and we think it should apply" potential. So in that case, existing laws could be expanded to cover things that they weren't written for, because the justice interprets that they fit the intent.
At least, that's the way I understand it.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:25 am to makersmark1
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Judges are not there to make laws.
effing this^^
if people in their 20s hold their Congressmen's feet to the fire it wouldn't matter so much who is on on SCOTUS
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:33 am to Scoob
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existing laws could be expanded to cover things that they weren't written for, because the justice interprets that they fit the intent.
Exactly. Thing like the 14th Amendment fall under this category. Birthright citizenship was intended to undo some of the damage of slavery and segregation by conveying US citizenship to those born in our country, whose ancestors were forcibly removed from their own lands via the slave trade.
It was NOT designed to allow invading foreign nationals who are here illegally a foothold in our society via anchor babies.
That case hasn't ever been tried in front of SCOTUS yet, so it's left to its poorly worded interpretation by practice. The Congress after the Civil War had no idea that it would be weaponized against US sovereignty like it has.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:37 am to TrueTiger
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if people in their 20s hold their Congressmen's feet to the fire it wouldn't matter so much who is on on SCOTUS
Exactly
Congress is where the current public sentiment gets turned into law. And these folks have to submit themselves to re-election every two years. They have to be sure they are reacting to what the public'' really wants - not just react to some mob outside their bedroom window, or the gleam in some university professors's eye. But they have to do it within the constraints of the Constitution - else wise it gets slapped down.
And if they don't like it - they can write an amendment to the constitution to enshrine whatever new 'right' they want into the constitution.
Just like it was supposed to be - like it was when USA became the greatest force for good the world has ever seen.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:40 am to VoxDawg
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14th Amendment fall under this category
THIS is the number one thing I want to see a truly constitutional SCOTUS take up.
Settle this shite once and for all.
What is being done is a travesty - and definitely anti-constitutional.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:42 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Learn to whistle the theme song to The Andy Griffith Show.
We are going back in time
Starring kickadawgitfeelsgood as as Ernest T. Bass.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:42 am to ChineseBandit58
The fact that there's a birthing/maternity tourism industry at all shows that the system is clearly being exploited. Pregnant women from other countries come here in their 9th month with the expectation that their ticket will be punched if they drop their baby while here in the US, since it'll be a citizen. Makes me want to vomit.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:47 am to VoxDawg
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the system is clearly being exploited
Certainly - another issue that needs to be settled is the "asylum" category. Asylum ought not be conferred if you are standing in a country where you have already escaped whatever you are seeking asylum from.
Central Americans flooding our southern border thru Mexico should have to seek their asylum in Mexico.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:47 am to volod
Seems you perpetually show up here with questions you're either too stupid to figure out or too lazy to do homework for.
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