re: what did you think was going to be discovered in the epstein files?

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The lengths some of you are going to in an attempt to justify fricking 14 year olds is insane.

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I don't think that's what True Tiger is doing. He was just talking about his grandparents and great grandparents getting married very young.

My grandmom on my mom side got married when she was 16. My grandparents were married for 76 years until they died. My mom was married when she turned 18.

I asked Grok about marriage laws in Louisiana

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Prior to 1976, Louisiana had no specific minimum age for marriage, and a common-law minimum age of 12 for girls and 14 for boys applied, inherited from English law. With parental consent and judicial approval, 14-year-olds could legally marry. In 1976, Louisiana set the minimum marriage age at 16 with parental consent and judicial approval; however, a legal loophole in Article 117 of the Civil Code allowed minors as young as 14 to marry with parental consent until it was closed in 2019. The 2019 law, effective August 1, 2019, explicitly prohibited marriage for anyone under 16, requiring 16- or 17-year-olds to have both parental and judicial consent and limiting the age difference to three years or less.

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Holy crap. That law wasn't closed until 2019.

Regardless, this does not justify all the Epstein crap one iota.

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Regardless, this does not justify all the Epstein crap one iota.

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The entire discussion is over people fricking minors and sex trafficking. It’s not the place for “oh well….that used to be acceptable back in the day”

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Because she was running girls for Epstein.

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Exactly.

I can keep explaining it to you. But I can’t understand it for you.

Once again….when discussing sex trafficking of minors…..this is not the place to talk about historical cultural shifts of fricking 14 year olds. It is an insane direction to try and steer the conversation.

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I can keep explaining it to you. But I can’t understand it for you.

Once again….when discussing sex trafficking of minors…..this is not the place to talk about historical cultural shifts of fricking 14 year olds. It is an insane direction to try and steer the conversation.

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I'm going to try to reason with you, again, as you seem extra sensitive in this discussion (to be fair, you did not start the thread, but also to be fair, you came into the thread with your hair on fire):

I don't think True Tiger (and I know I'm not) is arguing for either legal or moral "righteousness" in "fricking 14 year olds" (your words). I'm definitively, categorically onboard with you. I can't speak for the OP, dickkellog, because he's making a specific distinction sort of outside the facts of the Epstein case.

I think I may have been the only one to say it in this thread, the Epstein case is NOT about age of consent. It's about grooming and sex trafficking (and national security).

To roll it back to rationality - the age of consent in Brazil is 14. I assume you would find it immoral (even if legal) to travel to Brazil as a grown man and woo a 14-year old? I would as well. Let's flip it, though, let's say you as a 22-year old man travel with your 20-year old girlfriend (not wife) to Bahrain. Now, not only would that be adultery/fornication (and might be covered under their laws), she would be under the age of consent in Bahrain.

Certainly you consider those different levels of immorality/depravity, regardless of the legal status (even if you consider the latter situation all that negatively, at all), correct?

So, once again, this is NOT an age of consent situation. This is about grooming and trafficking (the latter of which is a form of coerced labor or slavery, regardless of the age of the girl/woman), and the national security implications of that.

Perhaps you're right about this being a distraction, particularly the pedophilia and hebephilia, which I agree is a reasonable topic for discussion, but not particularly appropriate here because, like rape, this is about power, not necessarily sexuality.

Can you agree with me on these broader points at least? The discussion about the past is just that - no one suggests these 19th (or hell, mid-20th) Century girls were being groomed or trafficked. That was a time where it was culturally accepted. And, yes, at the end of the day a 9-year old is significantly different than a 16-year old in that context.

Epstein isn't about that. It is about grooming girls potentially as young as 14, and certainly 15 - 16, trafficking them (even if some things were done when they were older) under circumstances that would vitiate their consent, even if an adult.

Fair enough?

You wasted a ton of time typing out a lot of things completely irrelevant to this thread topic until you got to.

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It is about grooming girls potentially as young as 14, and certainly 15 - 16, trafficking them (even if some things were done when they were older) under circumstances that would vitiate their consent, even if and adult.

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Once again for everyone in this thread….this is not the place for “WELL ACTUALLY!!!!!!”. I do not care what life was like in the 1950’s, 1850’s,1750’s, etc. it doesn’t matter. fricking and sex trafficking minors is bad. Think really hard about what you’re posting. (Once again…..the “you” is referring to everyone…not just a specific person.)

I want the crimes prosecuted. The list is bullshite. I had a phone list for work going back decades that was over 1200 long. After I retired, I went through and deleted all the people that were irrelevant or I had no recollection of who they were. I ended up keeping under 200.

Epstein was always working the room and manipulating people. He probably got/kept many people’s contacts for future reference. I bet there are many on the list that he had little to no real relationship with and others that had a passing contact that Epstein felt could benefit him at some point.

I got a call a month ago from a guy who wanted some help in my prior field. He got my contact info from a former work acquaintance, one I deleted when I retired.
I am now probably in that dudes contact list and I don’t know him from shite.

They need to go after the crimes.

I’m making this very simple for you. This is not the place for “well actually”

It’s that simple.

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when discussing sex trafficking of minors

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Sex trafficking minors is despicable and it's perpetrators should pay a heavy price.

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historical cultural shifts of fricking 14 year olds.

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You didn't notice the marriage context I guess.

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what did you think was going to be discovered in the epstein files?

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Orchestrators of a sadistic child sex ring be brought to justice. But hey..trump said it's not that important right now so I guess nm