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re: what did you think was going to be discovered in the epstein files?
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:04 am to pankReb
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:04 am to pankReb
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Holy frick…..
Wait - now we can argue that times have changed and it is a good thing that we protect teens against actions of "adults" and all of that, but are you surprised about these facts? In denial about them?
Because it wasn't that long ago that it was absolutely normal to get married as young as 15 and 16. That was when formal courting began for girls in the 19th Century. Now, they typically delayed marrying until about 21 or 22, but not always.
Keep in mind, this wasn't in the shadows. The families agreed on courting schedules, events, they were chaperoned, etc., but the boys were almost always somewhat older (because who can tell if a 15, 16 year old boy is going to be worth a $hit?), 3 to 4 years and that gap carried into the older courting period and marriage for the Victorian era in the United States.
That era saw typical age for first marriage of women to be 22 and men 26.
Somewhat counterintuitively, the average age of first marriage dropped in the early/mid 20th Century to about 20 for women and 22 for men in the mid-1950s (and, yes that means for every 23 year old woman marrying, a 17 year old was marrying, on average). It has gone way up (if folks even marry at all) and now you're talking about 30-year olds today getting married for the first time is normal.
But, 1956 wasn't that long ago.
(ETA: The Epstein case is not about "age of consent" - it is about sex trafficking young girls, who were often targeted because they were underage, and blackmail.)
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 9:09 am
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:10 am to Ace Midnight
The lengths some of you are going to in an attempt to justify fricking 14 year olds is insane.
NO ONE is unaware of the cultural shifts of time. Not a soul. You aren’t some bastion of intelligence being able to know these things. Just because something was culturally accepted at some point does not make it acceptable. We aren’t that far away from slavery being culturally acceptable. Are you also going to defend slavery? Human sacrifice was culturally accepted throughout history. Are you also going to champion that?
NO ONE is unaware of the cultural shifts of time. Not a soul. You aren’t some bastion of intelligence being able to know these things. Just because something was culturally accepted at some point does not make it acceptable. We aren’t that far away from slavery being culturally acceptable. Are you also going to defend slavery? Human sacrifice was culturally accepted throughout history. Are you also going to champion that?
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:10 am to pankReb
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You’re arguing for pedophilia.
You are hallucinating that I am arguing for pedophillia.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:12 am to TrueTiger
You’re fricking arguing that it’s no big deal because people did it generations ago.
I’ll make you a promise. It isn’t too late to delete your post. If you do then I’ll delete where I quoted you.
I’ll make you a promise. It isn’t too late to delete your post. If you do then I’ll delete where I quoted you.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:13 am to pankReb
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You’re arguing for pedophilia. This is wild even for this board.
except pedophilia is the attraction to a prepubescent child that is a child who has yet to go through puberty in human females that's under the age of 12. we call females who've completed puberty women.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:15 am to dickkellog
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except pedophilia is the attraction to a prepubescent child that is a child who has yet to go through puberty in human females that's under the age of 12. we call females who've completed puberty women.
fricking pedophiles……
Just come out and tell us you want to be able to frick 13 year olds. Just at least be honest.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:20 am to dickkellog
Trump ran on releasing the files then he changed his mind. The voters got fricked again.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:22 am to dickkellog
If Epstein’s clients or friends or whatever they were had sex with minors under diminished capacity- they should be prosecuted.
The idea that Epstein had some kind of spreadsheet listing them has always seemed absurd to me
The idea that Epstein had some kind of spreadsheet listing them has always seemed absurd to me
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:25 am to pankReb
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The lengths some of you are going to in an attempt to justify fricking 14 year olds is insane.
Show me in the thread where I did that. I'm on your side. I was just trying to figure out what you were shocked about. Your faux surprise was confusing.
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NO ONE is unaware of the cultural shifts of time.
Thank G-d. I was worried for a second.
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You aren’t some bastion of intelligence being able to know these things.
Again, I was trying to make sure you weren't completely ignorant and merely feigning outrage for effect. Got it.
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Just because something was culturally accepted at some point does not make it acceptable.
I didn't say it was. Now, I will remind you that there is a biological reality about reproduction that is wholly inconsistent with our notions of appropriate timing of such things. I think it is good. I do not think it is prudish to prolong that aspect of childhood a little longer (not to 30, I don't think, which we must agree that too prolonged of a childhood is probably as big a problem as an artificially shortened one).
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. We aren’t that far away from slavery being culturally acceptable. Are you also going to defend slavery?
Obviously not.
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Human sacrifice was culturally accepted throughout history. Are you also going to champion that?
No. Some cultural "norms" are superior to others. It seems istophobic to say such things in 2025, but it doesn't make them not true.
You and I are probably 95% in agreement, particularly if you read my posts carefully and in context. I don't want to make an enemy of a friend and I hope you don't either.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:31 am to Ace Midnight
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Because it wasn't that long ago that it was absolutely normal to get married as young as 15 and 16. That was when formal courting began for girls in the 19th Century.
Had a lot to do with the fact that in the 19th Century life expectancy was like 30-40 years so teenagers were already middle aged.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:32 am to NashvilleTider
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Kash and bongino - who are tougher than anyone on this board
Lol what. If you can't handle threats don't take the job. If you can't defend yourself don't take the job. It's not that they are tough or not, they're not Christians, they bow to man not Christ.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:36 am to Seldom Seen
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Had a lot to do with the fact that in the 19th Century life expectancy was like 30-40 years so teenagers were already middle aged.
But, like I said, it dropped until an all time low (for the U.S.) in 1956. The post-war period saw folks starting families earlier in an era of widespread prosperity. My own mother got married at 18.
Obviously sanity lies between the extremes of early/mid teens and thirty, IMHO. For a couple that wants to have children, 22 to 25 is probably the sweet spot between "too young" and "too old", although with medical science it is possible to have good results in the woman's 30s, realistically, 30 is quite old from a biological standpoint to be "starting" a family, particularly if the intent is to have a large family.
Of course, folks only have 1 or 2 kids now, so not nearly as big a deal.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:37 am to pankReb
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The lengths some of you are going to in an attempt to justify fricking 14 year olds is insane.
Slavery is fine. We did it for years
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:49 am to pankReb
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fricking pedophiles…… Just come out and tell us you want to be able to frick 13 year olds. Just at least be honest.
well i was 24 and my wife was 19 when we got married i was 21 and she was 16 when we started dating, her father didn't seem to mind he spent 50k on our wedding in 1985,
you'll like this jethro, let's put the ol inflation calculator to that!
that was 150,000 2025 dollars our wedding cake was $7,500 in today's dollars and my grooms cake (black forrest) was $2700.
we've only been married 40 years.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:50 am to dickkellog
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her father didn't seem to mind he spent 50k on our wedding in 1985,
you'll like this jethro, let's put the ol inflation calculator to that!
that was 150,000 2025 dollars our wedding cake was $7,500 in today's dollars and my grooms cake (black forrest) was $2700.
congratulations. Now what in the frick does that have to do with you justifying fricking 14 year olds?
Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:52 am to dickkellog
I’ve never understood why this case garnered the obsession it has as opposed to any number of other trafficking/prostitution stories. Yet for some reason it apparently dominates the thoughts of much of this board and others.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:01 am to pankReb
Im talking about historical cultural attitudes about the onset of adult responsibility and you are hallucinating that I'm promoting fornication with little kids.
You aren't even on the same planet.
You aren't even on the same planet.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:08 am to TrueTiger
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Im talking about historical cultural attitudes about the onset of adult responsibility and you are hallucinating that I'm promoting fornication with little kids. You aren't even on the same planet.
you can tell the people that grew up in the post "fast times at ridgemont high" era. in the 70's everybody was in a hurry to grow up, we all smoked, we all drank, everybody had a job in high school. i blame video games.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:19 am to dickkellog
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what did you think was going to be discovered in the epstein files?
That much/ (most?) of our foreign and domestic policies have been shaped over the last few decades by people that have been blackmailed (many willingly so) by outside parties.
Is that not important? the Diddy stuff was very similar and both are being swept under the rug by the same compromised people.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:22 am to NashvilleTider
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can fold then we have zero clue what they are up against
Yeah we do lol. The lengths you will go to deny the obvious. Trump was good friends with the most infamous pedophile and human trafficker of our time, publicly stating that they got along because they have a similar taste in young girls. He referred to 12 year old Paris Hilton as hot. He ran a beauty pageant for young girls and was known for walking in on them changing. He called his own daughter hot and clearly has a very questionable relationship with her. His wife is an escort who hates him.
It is very clear who they are up against.
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