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re: What Did Men Do to Deserve This? (Another take on the so-called man/boy crisis)
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. That's a mis-statement
When I asked for clarity, you responded with condescension.
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1. The sex-based gaps require barriers
2. That some barriers are in place today to create that specific gap I referenced
What barriers prevent men from attending college? What barriers cause men to commit suicide at higher rates than women? What barriers cause men to commit violent crime at rates much higher than women? What barriers prevent men from entering the teaching profession?
I legitimately don't understand what you're getting at here.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:17 pm to SallysHuman
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I hesitate to touch this... I am deeply sorry for what happened to you and I don't wish to make it a debate topic.
You already did. I realize that you assume I'm confounding consensual sex with morning after regret. Isn't that what you alluded to? Or whatever you meant with this statement: Sorry, they aren't covered by PoundMeToo... just starlets regretting how they got their starts.
While simultaneously demanding sympathy because you unexpectedly had to share a space with a man in public, of course. Noted, sister.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:20 pm to BugAC
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Except now, you demand the good men be punished for being good.
What specifically are you referring to? When have I demanded that good men be punished for anything?
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They are incapable of being truly happy, though.
Probably.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:23 pm to Flavius Belisarius
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Currently, colleges are 60/40 female to male. Over half of men 18-25 have never been on a date and are locked out of the market. 90% of women chase 10% of guys making them miserable as well, as 4’s get depressed they’ll never lock down a 9/10, only temporarily used. The US birth rate is declining, jeopardizing national security in general, and specifically all of the social programs your side loves since new children aren’t being created to tax. The declining birth rate will eventually precipitate an immigration crisis. The only thing preventing general societal upheaval is that the millions of aimless young men living with their parents are having their testosterone lowered through a combination of many different factors, including diet and a sedentary lifestyle, and are receiving just enough dopamine hits from porn and gaming, likely the 2 things preventing violent revolt. If you can’t see that’s bad and destabilizing for everyone, women included, I don’t know what to tell you.
I totally agree that a significant portion of men and women are struggling in modern American society.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:24 pm to 4cubbies
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I hesitate to touch this... I am deeply sorry for what happened to you and I don't wish to make it a debate topic.quote:
You already did.
No, I didn't. I specifically said I do not wish to make YOUR experience a topic of debate.
As far as PoundMeToo, that most certainly WAS a pop culture phenomenon unconcerned with girls and women who are actually raped or molested against their wills.
And I don't need your sympathy- to paraphrase a quote... I see what you sympathize with.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:24 pm to 4cubbies
So you agree the only way we can have such a disparity in outcomes based on sex is institutional barriers?
It sounds like you're still refusing to agree. So before we go down that road, you need to clarify this and if you don't believe in institutional barriers, explain how we could get such a divergence.
It sounds like you're still refusing to agree. So before we go down that road, you need to clarify this and if you don't believe in institutional barriers, explain how we could get such a divergence.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:28 pm to Narax
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The feminization of education
Caused by what?
I asked google "what caused the feminization of education?"
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The feminization of education was caused by a combination of factors including the rise of the common school movement, the industrial revolution, and changing views on child-rearing. The common school movement created a large demand for teachers, and women were recruited because they were seen as cheaper and better suited to nurture children. Meanwhile, industrialization created more lucrative jobs for men, and the perception that teaching was less demanding work for women played a significant role in its feminization.
It looks like paying teachers more would attract more men to the profession.
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and the disappearance of all boys schools.
agreed. I went to an all girl school and absolutely thrived and loved it. I think single-sex high school education is invaluable.
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Overmedication.
Totally agree. The for-profit healthcare model in the US almost requires this, though.
Capitalism prioritizes cheap labor and increased profits. There's a link between capitalism and these societal problems.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don't agree because I'm still not sure which institutional barriers you're alluding to. You still refuse to name them.
So you agree the only way we can have such a disparity in outcomes based on sex is institutional barriers?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:37 pm to CleverUserName
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Again. Downplaying the claims. The exact opposite as your stances on the first page. Complete opposite.
She mocked women who say they were sexually assaulted but demanded unquestioning sympathy because she claims that she shared a public space with a man dressed as a woman. And you're lecturing me for not showing her the unwavering support that she refuses to show the victims of actual sexual assault.
I'm not ignoring her. I believe she has been in rooms with men before. I'm not denying that happened, as she is denying the sexual assault women claimed to have experienced. I do not think an adult being in the same room as a man dressed as a woman is traumatic. I am guilty for downplaying that alleged trauma.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:41 pm to WeeWee
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and this obese liberal female wonders why males want nothing to do with her.
Assuming all of this is true, what does it have to do with anything? When have you posted assumptions about the BMI of male posters?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:48 pm to 4cubbies
Cubbies, you are being very disingenuous.
Not once did you address these "spaces" or "rooms" as sex segregated places.
And not once did you address very HIGH PROFILE cases of women or specifically GIRLS being raped, by MEN, in these sex segregated spaces.
YOU are the one in denial here.
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shared a public space with a man dressed as a woman.
been in rooms with men before
being in the same room as a man
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Not once did you address these "spaces" or "rooms" as sex segregated places.
And not once did you address very HIGH PROFILE cases of women or specifically GIRLS being raped, by MEN, in these sex segregated spaces.
YOU are the one in denial here.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:50 pm to DB_tiger
quote:Truly laughable that they printed that with a straight face. EVERYTHING is geared towards girlboss this and girlSTEM that.
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since women/girls are generally ignored, we only hear about men and boys "in crisis."
We’ve literally spent 60 years hammering the opposite into everyone’s heads
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:51 pm to 4cubbies
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In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored? Research doesn't really support your claim.
Our entire society now is centered on pampering already-over-entitled women.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 4:20 pm to 4cubbies
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And who would we need men to protect us from on the bus slob or walking NOLA at night
Are you saying women don't get assaulted at night in NOLA???
Posted on 11/12/25 at 4:30 pm to SallysHuman
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Cubbies, you are being very disingenuous.
SOP for the OP. Yet still gets 15 pages of attention.
The entire OP is laid out in bad faith and just spirals from there. Then the condescending tone to anyone that doesn't agree with the premise, which is completely one sided.
My daughter isn't being raised this way, and that makes me proud as a father. You keep up the good work as well.
And quit wasting your time trying to reason with someone that can't be reasoned with.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 4:32 pm to 4cubbies
First of all, kudos on nailing it in the ‘low energy prices’ thread the other day by simply mentioning kWh usage.
However, this is just bad.
However, this is just bad.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 4:33 pm to SludgeFactory
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My daughter isn't being raised this way, and that makes me proud as a father. You keep up the good work as well.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 4:42 pm to 4cubbies
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Caused by what?
Well not industrialization, the years where women took over education weren't years of intense changes in industrialization of the population. By 1890 women dominated almost to the extent of today. Between 1860 and 1880 when female teachers went from a clear minority to a clear majority farm labor only dropped 2%. GDP doubled from 1860 to 1865 then dipped before recovering in 1880 to slightly better than 1865.
I do suspect it was more social/moral than economic.
However to note the number of female role models girls have is much higher than males, fatherlessness is far more common than motherlessness.
Female teachers abound, males do not.
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It looks like paying teachers more would attract more men to the profession.
Im not sure.
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agreed. I went to an all girl school and absolutely thrived and loved it. I think single-sex high school education is invaluable.
I think many males can thrive at a coed school, but if even 20% cant (and at least 20% of males are not thriving) it would be good to have an alternative school available.
Capitalism prioritizes cheap labor and increased profits. There's a link between capitalism and these societal problems.
Though the teachers recommending those drugs for overactive boys are totally non capitalist.
There is nothing about their pay or position that is not pure socialism.
Also those boys had a lot more potential before medical intervention.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 4:49 pm to SallysHuman
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I launched my daughter four years ago- she definitely wasn't raised in nonsense. Her daughter, my lovely granddaughter, won't be either.
I have a son going to college right now. He has been offered scholarships to smaller schools and will be going to one of those.
I have a daughter a few years behind him. She is also going to be scholarship material.
When we sat down last year to discuss all of this, along with TOPS, my daughter flat out said "if I have the same credentials as my brother, I will be offered a lot more opportunities for college, and especially if I enter a STEM program", which she will.
I asked her where she heard that and she said the career counselors at her school told her this. She isn't wrong.
Like I said, I'm proud of them both, as they are great students, but I am especially proud of her of being socially aware of the advantages she has as a female. I am also glad her career counselors are open and honest about these advantages.
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