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re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:21 am to Powerman
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:21 am to Powerman
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What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"
It's not a hoax. But, since you built it as a strawman, I'll ask you a question.
If all of the Western governments made it known that billions in research dollars would be made available to studies on the intellectual differences between men and women.........and over time.......it became apparent that the only studies that could get funded were studies that concluded there were no intellectual differences..........and that scientists who hypothesized that there were differences couldn't catch a cold in the funding decisions...............
And, pair the above with the reality that an inability to obtain research grants is a huge barrier in Academic careers...........especially at top institutions
what say you about how that would play out over the course of say, 25 years?
If you answer that honestly, you have my answer.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 8:22 am
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:22 am to mtntiger
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The bolded part is alarming.
The bolded part is normal as long as the results aren't faked or hidden.
Science trying to constantly prove itself wrong is how you build solid scientific theory.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:22 am to Powerman
Yes, and you knew that.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:26 am to Powerman
38% of Meteorologists in the American Meteorological Society do not subscribe to the belief humans are the main driving force behind changes in the climate. I believe the climate changes, but I believe most of the fluctuation is natural.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:26 am to Powerman
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None of these things have anything to do with climate science
But they have everything to do with the motivation of the people pushing 'climate change' aka 'global warming.'
Hell, they even changed their initial fear-inducing 'global warming' warnings to a more euphemistic 'climate change' mantra when the data were showing that their 'global warming' predictions were all nonsense.
Why the change in nomenclature if not an appeal to ignorance?
If it is global WARMING they are 'concerned' about - why not, if they actually believe that, keep it as they signature warning. None of them are 'warning' about 'climate change' producing a cooler earth.
If this is science based, and the science actually supports it, why not drive home their 'real' concern about global warming??
That alteration of the nomenclature alone shows they are NOT SERIOUS about global warming. Do you have any examples of their being worried about the 'climate change' giving us a cooler earth?
These are signature actions of a political campaign, not a scientific pursuit. Science would suggest you identify a problem, name the problem with something suggestive of its nature, and then objectively weigh all the data that can be amassed from scientific techniques - then either prove your concept, or modify the 'problem.'
It is obvious they have modified the problem in their adoption of 'climate change' as the bogey man - but this was only to mask the influence of the data they were acquiring rather than to modify the problem the are 'concerned' about.
Now - there cannot be any argument about the climate changing - it is impossible to keep it constant without complete elimination of the physical forces involved. Like the Mars environment. or Venus' environment.
AND - I have no doubt that man's introduction of CO2 into the environment introduces a new atmospheric force that was not there before man began to advance civilization. The question is entirely = "how significant is man's contribution?'
I am agnostic about the merits of 'climate change' as a significant 'problem' that we need to sacrifice our standard of living over while the real contributors to this phenomenon are allowed to continue unrestricted.
The immediate solutions to the 'climate change' problem the progs are pushing are completely ineffectual and extremely disadvantageous to American standard of living.
To me, climate change/global warming is not a hoax - it is a atmospheric curiosity that deserves sober scientific study.
To me, the DEMOCRAT utilization of it as a political wedge issue is the hoax.
And you only have to look at their utilization of every other 'issue' they campaign on to validate that belief.
add -
poverty
racism
xenophobia
islamophobia
homophobia
to the list of other examples that have 'nothing to do with climate science' ==== except for the common tactics involved.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 8:29 am
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:26 am to Powerman
Dispute "climate change" all you want.
Folks cannot dispute the fact that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are rising and are at the highest levels since the Pliocene (Before humans lived on Earth).
Folks cannot dispute the fact that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are rising and are at the highest levels since the Pliocene (Before humans lived on Earth).
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:27 am to Tiger Lake
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The earth's climate has been "changing" for 4.5 billions years
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:29 am to BamaAtl
Cute sketch... did your 3 year old put that together for you?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:29 am to TrueTiger
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MPG requirements for auto manufacturers have changed. So that's a solution that isn't taxes.
Government regulations are hidden taxes.
Maybe, but in this case, doesn't the consumer win by the means of having to spend less on fuel and vehicles that emit less CO2?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:31 am to ShortyRob
He won't answer honestly. He will just flame you as a conspiracist or a loon.
He is in "brownie points" mode. It is like a thing he does. He wants progressives to like him, so he makes absurd threads designed to flame righties. Once he has been thoroughly trounced, he will just start using short specious points and start name-calling.
Been his MO since his "daddy" stopped posting on here.
He is in "brownie points" mode. It is like a thing he does. He wants progressives to like him, so he makes absurd threads designed to flame righties. Once he has been thoroughly trounced, he will just start using short specious points and start name-calling.
Been his MO since his "daddy" stopped posting on here.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:33 am to BamaAtl
The "current path" hasn't come to fruition over the last thirty years of alarmism. I predict a line to the left of the left most line on your cartoon, even without any drastic measures taken.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:33 am to ShortyRob
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That's a lot of work being done by 2 letters.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:33 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:Were the Pre-humans driving SUVs and powering their espresso machines with Coal plants?
Folks cannot dispute the fact that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are rising and are at the highest levels since the Pliocene
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:34 am to Jake88
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I predict a line to the left of the left most line on your cartoon, even without any drastic measures taken.
What qualifies you to make said prediction, and for anyone to take it seriously considering it contradicts actual experts and all of the existing data?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:35 am to BamaAtl
According to that graphic. Temps now are about the same as at the invention of the wheel.
Was it a gas burning wheel?
Was it a gas burning wheel?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:38 am to BamaAtl
quote:Nothing really, but my predictions if no catastrophe has been more accurate that the warmists' predictions thus far. They really have been undone by their misses the last thirty years.
What qualifies you to make said prediction, and for anyone to take it seriously considering it contradicts actual experts and all of the existing data
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:38 am to Roaad
quote:See. Here's my thing. There's no doubt in my mind climate is likely changing.
He won't answer honestly. He will just flame you as a conspiracist or a loon.
But, the left has caused the subject to abandon REAL science so much at this point, there's almost nothing else I can "know" on the subject.
There are several things that just make the whole thing HIGHLY problematic.
1. All of the "solutions" appear to coincide with shite the left has wanted FOREVER. That's just mighty convenient.
2. There is literally no discussion of significance regarding the VARIABLE effects of climate change. I mean, look, NOTHING is 100% negative in its results. I mean, there's no doubt that Earth warmed up a LOT after the Irish potato famine.......but for frick's sake, THAT was a good thing. So, if you can't talk to me about the pros and cons, then, I know you're agenda driven.
3. There's basically zero discussion of the comparable costs/benefits of DEALING with climate change vs trying to avoid it. This is important because:
A) They're telling us that even if we do EVERYTHING they want, it's probably too late to stop all of it.......but it's going to cost an arse LOAD of money
B) It may well be that the cost of dealing with it is far less than the cost of trying to avoid it.
And all of this is before we even discuss the fact that they're so attached to it at this point that they've made it pretty much sacrilege to study anything that opposes the dogma. Which, of course, causes you to no longer really be science anymore.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:39 am to Jake88
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Nothing really
Then I think it's better if we design policy around the people who know what they're doing, rather than you, who admittedly does not.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:39 am to BamaAtl
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That's a lot of work being done by 2 letters.
I notice that you spent a lot of effort there, but made no attempt to rebut the FACT
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:40 am to ChineseBandit58
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But they have everything to do with the motivation of the people pushing 'climate change' aka 'global warming.'
Why are you not as critical of the people who are pushing the "climate change is a hoax" angle? Do they not stand to benefit from their claims?
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