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re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:48 am to Roaad
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:48 am to Roaad
quote:
And here it is. . .
He wanted no discussion. He just wanted to flame. And when he got trounced, the name-calling.
Same as it ever was.
Am I to assume that all of the political hacks here have the ability to trump what the actual science says on the matter? Would that be a reasonable thing to believe?
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:49 am to BamaAtl
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Yeah, fossil fuel companies have NEVER funded studies to contradict global warming.
Not ever.
(you're embarrassing yourself)
If the ONLY place you can get funded to do research counter to the dogma is the fossil fuel companies, then you just made my point dumb arse.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:50 am to Powerman
quote:This is just a fancy appeal to authority.
Am I to assume that all of the political hacks here have the ability to trump what the actual science says on the matter?
quote:
Would that be a reasonable thing to believe?
Well, I dunno. What do YOU believe? What, of YOUR intellect have you applied to the thought process other than, "well, smart people told me......"?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:50 am to Powerman
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You do realize that all of this still can be true and man made climate change can also be real right?
So until you can answer what the OPTIMAL temperature is for the earth, how can you differentiate between the two? If the earth is warming on it's own from an ice age, how do YOU know how much man is contributing? Have we exceeded the OPTIMAL temp yet?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:51 am to Powerman
quote:You really are an idiot. You start this thread, can't answer the thoughtful posts and crush imaginary implications to feel better about your miserable self. What a loser.
quote:
I believe bamaatl is a woman.
Heaven forbid we let them share opinions here
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:51 am to BamaAtl
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There is no drive to produce certain results over others in these studies - they would be funded either way.
oh, sure. But that would be the last thing that investigator ever gets funded. There’s a reason “climate change” gets less popular as careers advance. quote:
And if someone could conclusively prove that the earth was not warming
existence of warming does not establish causality. Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:52 am to Taxing Authority
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Taxing Authority
You missed the fact that the stupid frick proved my point.
When you respond to "hey, you basically can't get funded to study X".......with......"well, you can get agenda driven funding!!!!".............you've admitted defeat.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 8:54 am
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:53 am to Powerman
quote:Good grief. Your assertion is that a person should take the side that makes them “look the best” to others?
Why would you want to be on the losing side of the argument like all of the right wing dullards in here?
If so you aren’t here looking for facts. You’re looking for popularity.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:54 am to Jake88
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You really are an idiot. You start this thread, can't answer the thoughtful posts and crush imaginary implications to feel better about your miserable self. What a loser.
I took the time to lay out a fairly specific set of issues I have......with ZERO insulting language towards him..........and he basically ignored the entire post to compare me to dullards.
Then, says he's the thoughtful one in the room.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:54 am to Powerman
quote:Most everyone agrees that Climate Change is a thing. Even "right wing dullards".
Am I to assume that all of the political hacks here have the ability to trump what the actual science says on the matter?
The debate is over how much humans have contributed.
You are separating them for the purpose of flaming.
quote:Belief?
Would that be a reasonable thing to believe?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:55 am to Powerman
quote:What does it say? Let’s see your energy balance.
what the actual science says on the matter?
quote:That the energy of the system sums to 0. Which seems to be a challenge for most climate “modelers”.
Would that be a reasonable thing to believe?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:55 am to Roaad
quote:Hell, I'm not even worried about THAT.
The debate is over how much humans have contributed.
I simply want to know why we can't talk about the comparative costs......comparative implications......and why all of the solutions seem to miraculously be shite the liberals would want even if there were no climate change.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:56 am to ShortyRob
quote:
This is just a fancy appeal to authority.
An appeal to authority isn't bad when you're referring to the authority that actually studies the matter. If I had a tax question I'd go to a CPA and not a climate scientist. And the converse is also true.
quote:
Well, I dunno. What do YOU believe? What, of YOUR intellect have you applied to the thought process other than, "well, smart people told me......"?
Facts don't require "belief"
The facts state that the overwhelming amount of people that study this shite have concluded that man made climate change is real.
It is more logical to "believe" the consensus of science than to believe people who believe in conspiracies because of their political affiliation.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:56 am to ShortyRob
quote:Boom!
If the ONLY place you can get funded to do research counter to the dogma is the fossil fuel companies, then you just made my point dumb arse.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:58 am to ShortyRob
quote:
I simply want to know why we can't talk about the comparative costs......comparative implications......and why all of the solutions seem to miraculously be shite the liberals would want even if there were no climate change.
That's a worthy discussion
But step 1 is acknowledging the facts so you don't seem crazy or ignorant when you enter in such a discussion
You'd have a much more solid footing to combat left wing craziness if you acknowledged the science and then brought forth rational arguments. Climate change denial is not the starting point for a rational argument.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:58 am to ShortyRob
I noticed. That's why I gave my brief answer at the start of the thread. There is no point in investing effort with an idiot who is only seeking an esteem boost in some twisted masochistic manner.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:58 am to Powerman
Al Gore
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:59 am to Powerman
quote:
An appeal to authority isn't bad when you're referring to the authority that actually studies the matter. If I had a tax question I'd go to a CPA and not a climate scientist. And the converse is also true.
That's fine. But then, I'm not debating you because you aren't actually contributing anything to the discussion since you neither understand the subject nor have your own opinions on it.
To use your example. If you have no knowledge yourself that you were applying to a tax discussion, then arguing with other people who disagree with the CPA you talked to is silly. You don't actually possess anything in your argument other than "cause my CPA said so".
quote:Which is why I made an entire post articulating OTHER issues within the discussion. All of which you chose to ignore because they're inconvenient to your virtue signaling.
Facts don't require "belief"
The facts state that the overwhelming amount of people that study this shite have concluded that man made climate change is real.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:00 am to Powerman
Communist Party of China is funding the the climate change propaganda.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:00 am to Powerman
quote:
Am I to assume that all of the political hacks here have the ability to trump what the actual science says on the matter? Would that be a reasonable thing to believe?
Do you even know what the science says? Here. Let's start with the basics.
1.) How is the earth warming up?
2.) Which greenhouse gases are the most impactful?
3.) Which gases do humans produce the most?
4.) What are the primary sources of each of the major greenhouse gases?
5.) Which major regions of the globe produce a disproportionate amount of each gas?
6.) How do we know historical data?
7.) Does the historical data show when humans started producing each greenhouse gas?
8.) When did Mauna Loa start recording data?
9.) How do they resolve the correlation vs causation inconsistencies?
10.) As far as a policy matter, what is the US doing that needs to change?
The fact is, you don't know the answer to these questions. I do. I know plenty on this issue. I've been well versed in climatology reports and findings for over 10 years. I can tell you that if you can't immediately answer these questions, you are so ill-equipped to talk about this, it's laughable.
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