re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"

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I'm not looking for attention. I was actually hoping this thread would generate more meaningful discussion.

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If you were looking for discussion, you'd have responded to Ace Midnight's post on page 5, but you haven't which suggests this is all about craving attention and ruffling feathers. You should seek out self-esteem boosts in healthier manners.

The conspiracy is censoring those scientists who would do work which disagrees with andropomorphic climate warming being a significant factor in overall global warming, or the effects of such warming being overwhelmingly negative by shunning their work and not allowing good work to be published in the mainstream scientific literature. Also, if one does disagree with their hypothesis of andropomorphic warming being significant, they go to ad hominem attacks in an organized fashion.

I have zero doubt that the proliferation of human civilization has effected the earth in *some* way, and would probably have a major impact if we continued with our current technology for an infinite amount of time.

But what the global warming (now climate change) people always fail to leave out is that the earth has been operating in these - and FAR more extreme - cycles since it's creation some 4.5 billion years ago. Hell the most recent ice age began about 25 million years ago and randonly began thawing only 12k years ago to reach the current form of the earth/climate. Homosapiens and many animals that are still around today were there during the thaw, but they didnt quite have cars and factories spewing chemicals into the air yet. The earth has been steadily warming since then, and when you're talking millions and billions of years 12,000 is the blink of an eye.

TLDR - this warming began 12k years ago at the end of the last ice age and continues now

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I do think some people (politicians, not scientists) get pretty drastic with the alarmist predictions.

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So, then, it's little wonder that there is pushback?

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I also agree that some of the proposed remedies are not feasible or beneficial to humanity

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before we get into the feasibility of remedy actions, we need to first answer this question:

To what degree, if any, is mankind having an impact on the perpetually changing climate, and is this impact dangerous to us within the next 100 years or so?

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BTW Exxon is now pretty much of the stance that climate change is real

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So, does that make you skeptical that CC is real?

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Celebrities being hypocrites about their energy usage doesn't change science. It just makes them hypocrites. No more. No less.

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No. What it does is show what the fear mongering is all about...... money.

And if it all about science..... why doesn’t the acclaimed climate scientist Michael Mann openly share and show his data? Why does he claim it’s “intellectuall property” when his studies have been subsidized by taxpayers? Maybe the high dollar speaking engagements? Perhaps?

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The science really doesn't care what liberals or conservatives want to do about the matter

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Agreed. What does that have to do with liberals wanting my money to give to someone else. It will do NOTHING to affect a climate that has been changing with or without mankind for 4.5 BILLION YEARS.

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The hiatus was a period between 1998 and 2013 during which the rate of global temperature growth slowed. This fact has always been a thorn in the side of climate change alarmists, as it became difficult to disprove the slowdown in warming.

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The bolded part is alarming.

Science should be objective. Scientists should conduct their experiments, analyze the data, then draw conclusions from the analysix.

They should not be trying to disprove the data because it doesn't support their hypothesis.

The fact that 'scientists' feel the need to IGNORE relevant data because of its contrary indications should make them pariahs in the scientific community. People like you, though, continue to place your faith in them. Hell, you guys call FOX News "Faux News" and call into question their news reports for a whole lot less.

Folks like me understand that the climate changes constantly. Always has. Always will. We know this from ice core samples that give us data from 250,000 thousand years ago. We also know this from basic history.

The pyramids were not built in the desert. They were built in what was once a nice, lush oasis. Today, it's as dry and arid as any place on Earth.

Continental plates are shifting. The axis of the Earth may change slightly. The sun goes through phases. These things are completely out of our control and contribute a whole hell of a lot more to climate change than we could ever hope to.

Finally, here's the conspiracy theory. "Scientists' rely largely on government grants to fund their research. Governments see climate change as a way to secure more power, thus they make money available to "scientists" who can bolster the climate change claims. It's really as simple as that.

Governments reward those who help them secure more power.

Folks like you will ignore science that is funded by energy concerns, because you believe the science is tainted by the interests of those energy concerns. Fair enough.

On the other hand, you never acknowledge that government-funded research can be biased just as much. Face it, governments have A LOT riding on keeping the climate change scam going.

1. We know that data has been manipulated. It's been proven. You're an idiot if this does not make you question what you're told.
2. The leaders of the movement refuse to debate fact for fact with the other side of the argument. Once they are confronted with facts, they start attacking the character of the opposition.
3. The movement wants to punish (jail) people who they deem deniers. Here's another Lennon / Mao red flag. This tells anyone with rational thought that CC is not about climate.
4. A former founder of Greenpeace has stated that GP was taken over by leftist/Marxist to advance their own agenda.
5. 50 years of predictions and not one has come true. The US coast should be underwater and the avg temp 100 degrees
6. The movement only wants to restrict and legislate the capitalistic countries.
7. All legislation is power grab or transfer of wealth.
8. The believers of the movement who preach fly in private jets, use limos and burn fossil fuels like crazy. Hint: they don't believe the BS they're telling you.
9. Al Gore left office with a net worth of ~600k. He's now worth over 200M. If he believed he would have given most of this to the cause.