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re: What are your objections to (or praises of) Biden's immigration bill?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:45 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:45 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Discussing the issues in today's political world is pointless. I
Yes.
If you can simply overlook the fact that Democrats have gone full Pedophile, are encouraging kids to chop off their genitals, are pushing a full on invasion at the Southern border, are pushing porn to kids and are jailing their Political opponents then we can't have a discussion at all.
If you don't define what the Democrat Party are currently engaged in as "evil", then you are an idiot.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:50 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Discussing the issues in today's political world is pointless. It's all about grandstanding and parroting what your candidate says, real or not and calling anyone that disagrees the devil...
or you just don't like admitting what is factual?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:52 pm to PaperTiger
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GOP demands to block Ukraine aid unless Congress pairs it with tougher immigration and asylum laws.
Your own quotes repeat the republican demands linking these two issues.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:55 pm to TBoy
enforcing the U S border is not contingent on Ukraine funding (except maybe for the Democrats)
only Ukraine funding is contingent on the Democrats fixing the border and a bill is not required to enforce the border
only Ukraine funding is contingent on the Democrats fixing the border and a bill is not required to enforce the border
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:57 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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and a bill is not required for that
Then why did Republicans demand it?
I guess the republican dog caught the truck wheel and now is feeling run over.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:18 pm to TBoy
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Then why did Republicans demand it?
Because trying to fix the border is more important than not sending money to Ukraine to them.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:25 pm to oogabooga68
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If you can simply overlook the fact that Democrats have gone full Pedophile, are encouraging kids to chop off their genitals, are pushing a full on invasion at the Southern border, are pushing porn to kids and are jailing their Political opponents then we can't have a discussion at all.
Nope thats why I typcially vote Rep. (you reposne was exactly the grandstanding parrot talk I was referring to)
Still doesn't mean every Dem agrees with those things just like I don't agree with the awful stuff the Reps or Trump has done. Not going to call every one that disagrees with me baby eating, pedo, uniparty, muslim loving, commusinst nazi devil worshippers and evil that should be destroyed....
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If you don't define what the Democrat Party are currently engaged in as "evil", then you are an idiot.
I think both parties are engaged in acts I hate. Evil? That's bit much. Evil may influence them or they may do evil things, but they are not evil. They are God's children just like you and I. I just happen to disagree with them. (ALOT)
Thats how rationale adults view things. Not enraged lemmings calling everyone else a problem without seeing the plank in their own eye.
I pray for both Parties and America. This hatred for fellow Ameircans is not very American or healthy.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:32 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Evil? That's bit much.
I get it.
You aren't outraged over the sexualization of children.
You do you.
As for me, I think Pedophiles are evil.
I think convincing kids to chop off their junk is evil.
I think pushing porn to 3rd graders in school is evil.
I think jailing your Political opponents is evil.
I think the invasion of our Southern border is evil.
The fact that you don't is your problem, not mine.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:43 pm to oogabooga68
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You aren't outraged over the sexualization of children.
Yes I am.
Has nothing to do with either candidate.
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As for me, I think Pedophiles are evil.
I think it's horrible and they should be shot. Again, has nothing to do with the election.
(Just. more Q nonsense you should be old enough to realize is bullshite)
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I think convincing kids to chop off their junk is evil.
I think it is influenced by evil and the people doing it are mentally unstable.
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I think pushing porn to 3rd graders in school is evil.
I think thats a horribe thought to think! Who did that and what does it have to do with either candidate? Again mentally unstable people, if that happned. Criminal yes.
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I think jailing your Political opponents is evil.
If they haven't done anythiing wrong it would be illegal. Not evil.
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I think the invasion of our Southern border is evil.
Nope. Just stupid. Very stupid.
Most of the things you listed have nothing to do with the election and are basically just Q based hyper firebrand conspiracy crap. Most of the people spreading these things are making money off dumbasses who believe it, instead of going back to their normal jobs. They don't even believe it. They are working the angle. Thats all.
Look I am voting for Trump if he is the GOP candidate. I am just not carrying the water like a fanboy defending every thing he does. When he's wrong, he's wrong.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:53 pm to Ag Zwin
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Joe Biden is behind former President Donald Trump in seven 2024 swing states, with immigration the hot topic issue affecting the president's reelection hopes, according to a poll.
frick anyone who thinks he is actually doing anything about the border and ILLEGAL immigration.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:36 pm to DMAN1968
I have zero praises. My objection is allowing even 1 illegal entry into our country anytime, much less 5,000 per day without going through the process and laws already enumerated on the books. Follow the laws already passed and only allow legal entry. Again, the number is 0, not 100, 1000, etc..
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:41 pm to Ag Zwin
Wait..
You read 600 pages?
And can you tell us why Ukraine is mentioned in the immigration bill?
You read 600 pages?
And can you tell us why Ukraine is mentioned in the immigration bill?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:52 pm to Ag Zwin
They don't need a bill to close the border and enforce the law. Next.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:58 pm to ApexTiger
I guess a good question for Ag Zwin at this point in the discussion is to ask if he objects to the idea of 0 entries.
If so Ag Zwin, why?
If so Ag Zwin, why?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:46 pm to Ag Zwin
Let's take a look at its talking points...
Like CBP One?
Sooo... how's that going? About like we would expect:
So the Biden administration has already proven they either can't fulfill this promise, or simply won't. Why would anyone on God's green earth think they would actually do it this time? It's like Charlie Brown trusting Lucy will hold the football this time.
hint: she never does
They can already do this. This can be done right now. Just fricking enforcing the laws already on the books instead of abdicating on them would accomplish this. This is no different from crying for more gun laws when gun laws on the books are already some of the most plead-out charges in the court system.
Was staff cut? Why, yes. That's what happens when you cut a budget.
What does that look like for just Border Patrol agents?
2019 - 19,648
2020 - 19,740
2021 - 19,536
2022 - 19,357
It looks like a drop of 383 Border Patrol agents from 2020-2022 (2023 numbers aren't out yet). Again, that's just the Border Patrol agents, not CBP officers, Marine Interdiction agents, Aviation Enforcement agents, etc.
So we're just supposed to join hands and sing Kumbaya now that he's finally wanting to add back staff he cut? So while he was busy cutting the Border Patrol's budget, what was he doing? Oh yeah...
Perhaps the CBP should classify illegal immigration as an "environmental justice concern".
And then, there's this gem:
First off, they could do this right now. As with the points of expanding detention capacity and expediting expulsions, there's nothing stopping the DoJ from doing already doing this... well, except for the fact that the administration doesn't really want to.
Secondly,...
This bill would not only do nothing that can't already be done, it would actually LEGALIZE entry of a certain amount of illegals per day once enough encounters happen.
The Mad Hatter called (the one from Alice in Wonderland, not Les Miles), he said to not bring shite this crazy to his tea party.
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Key features of the bill under consideration would make it harder for migrants to claim asylum
Like CBP One?
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Under those rules, which took effect in May, there is one main legal pathway to seek asylum for migrants who are already at the border: through a mobile app called CBP One. But for migrants who cross the border illegally after passing through Mexico or another country, it's much harder to get asylum.
Sooo... how's that going? About like we would expect:
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Overall, 95.8 percent of all inadmissible aliens who scheduled appointments through the app during this time were ultimately issued a “Notice to Appear” (NTA) and released into the United States on parole.
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Individuals from a number of countries of concern made appointments through the app and were overwhelmingly released into the country.
Out of 57,381 appointments made by Venezuelan nationals, 55,690 were released on parole, a rate of 97 percent.
Out of 20,948 appointments made by Russian nationals, 19,780 were released on parole, a rate of 94 percent.
Out of 2,279 appointments made by Uzbek nationals, 1,866 were released on parole, a rate of 82 percent.
Out of 801 appointments made by Belarusian nationals, 787 were released on parole, a rate of 98 percent.
Out of 246 appointments made by Afghan nationals, 229 were released on parole, a rate of 93 percent.
Out of 36 appointments made by Chinese nationals, 32 were released on parole, a rate of 88 percent.
Out of 18 appointments made by Iranian nationals, 16 were released on parole, a rate of 88 percent.
So the Biden administration has already proven they either can't fulfill this promise, or simply won't. Why would anyone on God's green earth think they would actually do it this time? It's like Charlie Brown trusting Lucy will hold the football this time.
hint: she never does
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expand detention capacity and expedite the expulsion of migrants who lack lawful reasons to stay in the country
They can already do this. This can be done right now. Just fricking enforcing the laws already on the books instead of abdicating on them would accomplish this. This is no different from crying for more gun laws when gun laws on the books are already some of the most plead-out charges in the court system.
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The plan would also add staff to the Border Patrol and those tasked with processing migrants
Was staff cut? Why, yes. That's what happens when you cut a budget.
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The package boosts domestic spending by $46 billion, a nearly 7% hike. But it gives US Customs and Border Protection just $14.8 billion, a $428 million decrease from fiscal year 2021. (Factor in inflation, and the cuts are even deeper.)
What does that look like for just Border Patrol agents?
2019 - 19,648
2020 - 19,740
2021 - 19,536
2022 - 19,357
It looks like a drop of 383 Border Patrol agents from 2020-2022 (2023 numbers aren't out yet). Again, that's just the Border Patrol agents, not CBP officers, Marine Interdiction agents, Aviation Enforcement agents, etc.
So we're just supposed to join hands and sing Kumbaya now that he's finally wanting to add back staff he cut? So while he was busy cutting the Border Patrol's budget, what was he doing? Oh yeah...
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The 2022 Inflation Reduction Act created the Environmental and Climate Justice grant program in section 138 of the Clean Air Act (CAA) and provided EPA with $2.8 billion in grant funding for the program for projects to benefit communities with environmental justice concerns
Perhaps the CBP should classify illegal immigration as an "environmental justice concern".
And then, there's this gem:
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It also includes a mechanism to shut down migrant intake when it exceeds more than 5,000 daily border encounters.
First off, they could do this right now. As with the points of expanding detention capacity and expediting expulsions, there's nothing stopping the DoJ from doing already doing this... well, except for the fact that the administration doesn't really want to.
Secondly,...
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During a shutdown, 1,400 undocumented migrants per day would be allowed to cross legally through ports of entry
This bill would not only do nothing that can't already be done, it would actually LEGALIZE entry of a certain amount of illegals per day once enough encounters happen.
The Mad Hatter called (the one from Alice in Wonderland, not Les Miles), he said to not bring shite this crazy to his tea party.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:03 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Evil may influence them or they may do evil things, but they are not evil.
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Thats how rationale adults view things.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:53 pm to Dirk Dawgler
Still waiting for AgZwin to answer my question.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:06 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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I have zero praises. My objection is allowing even 1 illegal entry into our country anytime, much less 5,000 per day without going through the process and laws already enumerated on the books. Follow the laws already passed and only allow legal entry. Again, the number is 0, not 100, 1000, etc..
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:11 pm to Ag Zwin
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What are your objections to (or praises of) Biden's immigration bill?
It's a bad bill. Period. It shouldn't see the light of day.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 11:06 pm to Ag Zwin
Unnecessary. Enforce laws that already exist. This is just a way to give Ukraine money and create amnesty.
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