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WildTchoupitoulas
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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you only get to use this example due to very unique geographical issues that isolated them...

...from extreme influence of western civ, yes, that's why I selected them.

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requires ignorance of the millions of other similar societies that are no longer around.

Many of those having succumbed to the technological prowess of the West.
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i think simple societal stats like violent behavior, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc should do

That shows your bias. What if infant mortality was reduced to zero and the population swells to exceed the carrying capacity of the environment?

The green revolution in Africa has been a near disaster. We bring miracle drugs, and miracle methods of agriculture that massively swelled the populations in Africa - simultaneously making them dependent on us for their continued survival. Meanwhile the population stress has led to massive conflicts, including genocide.

To me, the measure of success for a culture is sustainability. If the technological advances of western civ end up being our very demise, well, that's not an indicator of a great culture to me.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
Did you read anything after that out of context quote?


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hell, the new-Left wants a society without the ability to criticize

Well, you just can't criticize certain groups/people.

I've seen a university professor arguing on Facebook that no one is allowed to criticize John Lewis about anything he does because he was involved in the civil rights movement 50 years ago


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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...from extreme influence of western civ, yes, that's why I selected them.

uh

i don't think their biggest threat was Western. do you want me to get a map?

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Many of those having succumbed to the technological prowess of the West.

the vast majority succumbed to the technological prowess of countless other cultures. "the West" is only about 500 years old. human society is about 12,000 years old. you do the math

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That shows your bias. What if infant mortality was reduced to zero and the population swells to exceed the carrying capacity of the environment?

the West has solved that. in abundance, we have fewer children

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The green revolution in Africa has been a near disaster. We bring miracle drugs, and miracle methods of agriculture that massively swelled the populations in Africa

well you've just shown your true colors

go think about what you just said


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To me, the measure of success for a culture is sustainability. If the technological advances of western civ end up being our very demise, well, that's not an indicator of a great culture to me.

That's an odd indicator to focus on.

This is the kind of stuff that dystopian movies are made of


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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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personal freedoms (especially speech and association)
private property rights
limited government



It's hard for me to believe that Swedes, or the Nordic culture at large, has the same beliefs about what government should be. Which should be the point. Western civilization offers a wide variety of governmental models, though they share some key features, in terms of representation. It's an umbrella term for a group of beliefs, which are applied in a variety of ways. For that reason, you can have governments which can be led on numerous different principles. The difference becomes more stark because of how closely related the other ideals are, but each government is developed due to a specific history. America has a unique history, which again buttresses my point that it is a singular civilization, distinct from Europeans.

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but this is a calculated, planned attack on Western values. this is the whole "Cultural Marxism" argument. this isn't some awakening of ideas leading to criticism. hell, the new-Left wants a society without the ability to criticize



It isn't a very good one then. You and I will probably disagree on the goal of "Cultural Marxists," as the critiques of people like Adorno, Horkheimer and Marcuse were limited by virtue of their specificity. It's like consumerist economies finding some resemblance of their own lives in 1984, when Orwell intended the critique in a quite narrow sense. They will read what they want into it, regardless of what the words mean.



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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Well, you just can't criticize certain groups/people.

I've seen a university professor arguing on Facebook that no one is allowed to criticize John Lewis about anything he does because he was involved in the civil rights movement 50 years ago

not what i was going for

they are projecting the "don't engage" argument much more now than even a few years ago

they "don't want to legitimize" the x-ists so they want them ignored and removed so that discussion/critique can be had

you either agree or are silenced. that isn't critique


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WildTchoupitoulas
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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you want to celebrate a culture that is more violent

First of all, there is no culture more violent than ours. All you have to do is look at the entertainment we obsess over.

Second of all, I'm not celebrating cultures. I was hoping that we could have an adult discussion on the matter without some one accusing another of 'hating America', or 'loving barbarians'. I am in my culture, I accept my culture, HOWEVER, I'm not inclined to push my culture on other peoples. I can celebrate my culture, and criticize it at the same time.

So rather than "celebrating" other cultures, I do try to simply respect them.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
Women will never be able to line up jets on a carrier like this.



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well you've just shown your true colors

go think about what you just said

Increasing quality and longevity of life for poor people in poor countries is bad because it causes people to die


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First of all, there is no culture more violent than ours. All you have to do is look at the entertainment we obsess over.

Holy shite. This is how you troll, kids


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You and I will probably disagree on the goal of "Cultural Marxists,

ultimately, it's power


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
No culture more violent than ours? just one minority group commits 50% of our violent crime


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First of all, there is no culture more violent than ours.

you're 100% wrong

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Second of all, I'm not celebrating cultures. I was hoping that we could have an adult discussion on the matter without some one accusing another of 'hating America', or 'loving barbarians'.




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I accept my culture, HOWEVER, I'm not inclined to push my culture on other peoples.





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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But, is preaching its virtues (of which there are clearly many), per se racist


No. Western culture is just that, a culture. It is a Melting Pot. And that is the specific reason for its success. It is a culture which accepts all. There are plenty of people who have contributed to its success, men and women, black and white, asian and Hispanic, Etc. As long as everyone conforms and assimilates to the Western culture that allows it to be successful. It is the fracturing and splintering and refusal to assimilate that is seriously hurting the Western culture. And it is not in a simulation to a white culture, is assimilation to Western culture. Which is without gender or race.


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Nguyener
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First of all, there is no culture more violent than ours.


Holy shite that is master class level historical ignorance.


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upgrayedd
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40% of the women in the Congo have been raped, but we like to watch Chuck Norris movies. We're the monsters here.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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First of all, there is no culture more violent than ours.


You need to get out more. Specifically to other countries/cultures.





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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
In that sense we do agree. I find it extremely weird people use frameworks developed by philosophers responding to either historical problems or ones developed in responses to linguistic issues, all of which occurred because they were allowed to be free-thinkers in a Western society, as a way of attacking that society. Fundamentally, those attacks, as we know, aren't in good faith, which reveals their true intentions.

That's the essential problem. If anyone reads Adorno, Derrida, Marcuse, or whoever is included in these "Cultural Marxists," their arguments are in good faith, in response to problems they see. One could argue that they are mistaken, wrong, myopic, but I don't see how you could take an argument about a specific thing, apply it to a larger thing, and then write of the entire group because of it. They are doing literally the same thing that they accuse racists of doing.


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Wild needs some battery acid thrown at her for sleeping around outside of marriage


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