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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
just so that everyone understands, i'm currently listening to this, so i'm primal and ready to rumble


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Wild needs some battery acid thrown at her for sleeping around outside of marriage


I figure throwing his gay arse off a rooftop would be the perfect example of the kindness and compassion that's so absent in the west


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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I find it extremely weird people use frameworks developed by philosophers responding to either historical problems or ones developed in responses to linguistic issues

linguistic power is a major focal area for the Big Left

why Ace even could comment about how "Western Civilization" could be construed as racist

that also plays into both the attack on fundamental freedoms as well as the lack of any actual critique. it's all linguistic power

hell even "Cultural Marxist", due to a couple youtube videos, is now seen as dog whistling for antisemitism


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One could argue that they are mistaken, wrong, myopic, but I don't see how you could take an argument about a specific thing, apply it to a larger thing, and then write of the entire group because of it.

You can take the work of anyone and use it nefariously. Religious texts have been used as such for thousands of years.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
Damn that's cool as shite.

I think this video speaks to the West's (and specifically America's) culture superiority. A bunch of Tuareg musicians playing instruments designed in America (and the West).


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You can take the work of anyone and use it nefariously. Religious texts have been used as such for thousands of years.



Sure, but those works are mainly academic, and because of that, are very narrow in their approach. The works that cover large time periods or big problems haven't been in vogue for a long time. It's the study of "particularisms" as one philosopher puts it. The applicability of those works to larger societal ills is dubious at best.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
way back in the day one of my favorite late night drunk routines was watching Muslim music videos on Al Jazeera

they were so fricking bad and Americanized it was amazing

it was like the cleanly shaven, no fatties allowed version of Indian appropriation


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Women will never be able to line up jets on a carrier like this.


Well, none of those jets are parallel parked so maybe a woman could do it.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Sure, but those works are mainly academic, and because of that, are very narrow in their approach.


When I was in my undergraduate philosophy program, how I viewed reading Marx, Engels, Hegel, etc. was reading a thought experiment. Basically these guys writing out an elaborate "white if" scenario down on paper to address particular issues of their times.

I didn't agree with the direction they went, but it was fascinating reading nonetheless.

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crazy4lsu
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that also plays into both the attack on fundamental freedoms as well as the lack of any actual critique. it's all linguistic power



Which was one of Derrida's point. How words change meaning because of their relationship to a structure, or set of relations, which in turn gives them power. He was critiquing the "structurality of structure" as he put it. How that became a framework for critiques of "structure" at large is, frankly, the most amazing fiction. His point was that even attempts to be "centerless" was an event of centering, which for him meant that the subject was always there and present. Being without a center was not his point, though that reading has justified all sorts of relativisms, which have been rightly criticized.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
let me just add one thing about Communist ideas

i follow a lot of anti-capitalist, pro-communist (regardless of what they label themselves) pages on FB and i interact with them somewhat regularly (i am a known bootlicker)

their talking points and philosophy works...in a late 19th century world model...hell even up to the mid-20th

their talking points and philosophy have major issues being applied to our current economic status

i will give 2 major examples

1. they love the "you're only a capitalist if you own the means of production" line, to call people who support capitalism and who aren't "capitalists" bootlickers. when the means of production was literally a factory, this fit in perfectly. the means of production in a service/tech society is the production of new ideas. it's not tactile, so it's transferable to anyone. they cannot adequately fit "the means of production" into the modern economy

2. they simply are completely ignorant to how stocks and companies work. this is the area i most engage with them about. they think Jeff Bezos is sitting on a bank account with $140B in cash in it. they also think that for his stock to appreciate to a $140B valuation (they have a tough time understanding this), Bezos did not have to "take" any property from another person.


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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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When I was in my undergraduate philosophy program, how I viewed reading Marx, Engels, Hegel, etc. was reading a thought experiment. Basically these guys writing out an elaborate "white if" scenario down on paper to address particular issues of their times.

I didn't agree with the direction they went, but it was fascinating reading nonetheless.


Right. Lenin read Marx and saw he didn't account for all the ways capitalism changed, which meant he added to it, which formed the basis of the USSR and the Chinese.

On one level, it's important that those writers be read because they are fundamental in the history of ideas. But it's always important to contextualize those ideas, as without that context, or by actively removing that context, you can invite all sorts of insanity.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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I think this video speaks to the West's (and specifically America's) culture superiority. A bunch of Tuareg musicians playing instruments designed in America (and the West).
Ive partied with Tuareg blues musicians before. That’s all I’ve got.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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linguistic power is a major focal area for the Big Left


True dat. The language itself is being weaponized against anything not radical left propaganda. This could not occur without preceding decades of educational malfeasance and universal support from the “new” organizations being egged on be
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Dog whistling
entertainment industry.
hell - I cannot fix this on my friggin iPhone.

Dog whistle is the poison pill for any logical discussion.

I’m done til I get to a computer.
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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
I went to my a gyro place recently which had a TV that played Arabic music videos. They resembled 90's R and B, which in some ways shows its progress. It was like listening to the Lebanese Ginuwine.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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How words change meaning because of their relationship to a structure, or set of relations, which in turn gives them power.

well the left has used this to gain linguistic advantage BUT is now facing the issues of dogma

to maintain the power (and more importantly, legitimacy) of their concepts, they have to rely upon a structure that provides that power and that legitimacy.

many xennials and millenials on the right have seized upon this to create much more anarchy of language through memes and silliness



and then, to solidify the structure of their new language, the left uses this to label them x-ists

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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
It’s biggest downfall seems to be its own guilt of succeeding after a while.


SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
it's not guilt

we've done such a good job building society that, while nowhere near perfect, we've eliminated many historical threats

we are board, so we are looking inward to find new demons to slay, or at least that's the way it's being presented to the ignorant foot soldiers


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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
My god that's nonsensical. I'm perfectly fine with anyone calling themselves anything they want (I personally identify myself as a disabled pokemon, specifically Snorlax), but none of this shite means anything in normative terms.


SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
that's the whole thing though. they're allowing so much subjectivity so there are nearly infinite permutations, and ALL OF THEM MUST BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND RESPECTED OR YOU WILL GET MA'AMED



that's why i love the TERF war stuff. it also fits into my worldview b/c i was raised by the classic feminist type


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