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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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but where are white men saying they are owed something for building civilization?


Nowhere, but I was just listing out different groups. I didn't mean to inculcate anyone, I was just trying to emphasize a point.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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we're talking about feudal/imperial societies here. they hadn't advanced passed that

Neither have the aboriginal Australians. But I'd lay money that long after the white people have all disappeared from their lands, the aborigines will still be there. To talk to them, it seems like they're just waiting. Almost as if they're saying, "Well, these white people won't be around in 10,000 years, so we'll just sit tight and wait them out."

So the question is, what are the criteria for judging a culture? It's hard to even come up with an objective set of criteria without inherent bias.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Well, if you could look at the cultures that sustained the development of humankind for the last 100,000 years of our existence, could you say our is better than those that allowed us to thrive for so long?

yes. it's a process

you want to celebrate a culture that is more violent with more disease and exponentially higher infant mortality rates?

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Ultimately, the time to judge our culture is not now,

i mean we have stats to use to compare it to others

the only question is what stats to use


crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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you're associating larger concepts to individuals and that's your flaw, here



Well yeah. I'm trying to sum up an incredible amount of history, and I think you and I will agree to its theme.

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the concept of "the West" is legitimately under attack and anti-Western ideas are taking over Western nations



Which ideas?

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and yes you can spin this anti-West dogma into a "criticism" but it's much more than that



Fundamentally that is what it is. I for one think social media amplifies its importance, to the degree that I'm skeptical that anyone supports these ideas in large numbers.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Neither have the aboriginal Australians. But I'd lay money that long after the white people have all disappeared from their lands, the aborigines will still be there.

perhaps, but you only get to use this example due to very unique geographical issues that isolated them

promoting the aboriginals of AUS as some good example requires ignorance of the millions of other similar societies that are no longer around. you're using an EXTREME outlier

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what are the criteria for judging a culture?

i think simple societal stats like violent behavior, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc should do


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Which ideas?


The idea that western culture should be summarily rejected and destroyed due to the fact it was created by the white man.

It's the ultimate expression of "throw the baby out with the bath water"

But like I said, it has very little to do with honest critique of western society, and everything to do with gaining power.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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trump

Can you explain this beyond orangemanbad.exe?


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Y.A. Tittle
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Well, if you could look at the cultures that sustained the development of humankind for the last 100,000 years of our existence, could you say our is better than those that allowed us to thrive for so long?


"Culturally", nobody is really able to go back much further than 5,000 or so years.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Which ideas?

personal freedoms (especially speech and association)
private property rights
limited government

those are the biggies

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Fundamentally that is what it is

maybe on the VERY tip of the surface, for the NPCs to repeat lines over and over

but this is a calculated, planned attack on Western values. this is the whole "Cultural Marxism" argument. this isn't some awakening of ideas leading to criticism. hell, the new-Left wants a society without the ability to criticize


bmy
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But, is preaching its virtues (of which there are clearly many), per se racist or a form of racism?


Western ideals.. absolutely not.

But the concept of west = white is disingenuous and tbh disgusting. Its also rare and the opposite of widespread


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
No question that Western culture is superior. Not even close.


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idlewatcher
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Imagine if a group like Black Lives Matter tried to start up in China...the government there would put their boot through it with a quickness.


They know what they stand to lose is why.


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SlowFlowPro
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But the concept of west = white is disingenuous and tbh disgusting

let's be clear

this idea is promoted by the new Left. they've chosen to associate West with White for the power of guilt


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
This short video explains it all.

and without any words


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Y.A. Tittle
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But the concept of west = white is disingenuous and tbh disgusting. Its also rare and the opposite of widespread


I agree. I think various extremes try to profit on the conflation of the idea, though.


crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But like I said, it has very little to do with honest critique of western society, and everything to do with gaining power.



I don't disagree with you at all. But I think Western Civilization, or more specifically American Civilization is more powerful than that. English is the lingua franca of the world. The International Style is ubiquitous. American culture is pretty much everywhere. It's a massive project to undo.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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I agree. I think various extremes try to profit on the conflation of the idea, though.

100%

but there simply aren't enough legitimate white supremacists to really make a mark. their existence has been amplified an insane amount


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upgrayedd
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Its also rare and the opposite of widespread


What is?


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Champagne
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But, is preaching its virtues (of which there are clearly many), per se racist or a form of racism?


Yes. The answer is yes. The campaign of Indoctrination and Subversion has succeeded beyond all expectation. The PSYOP masters were right: a properly indoctrinated population can be made to embrace and believe with a burning religious fervor ANY absurdity that one can imagine.



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Centinel
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But the concept of west = white is disingenuous and tbh disgusting. Its also rare and the opposite of widespread


Extremely rare. And has been for quite some time. However there is a group of people with a vested interest to make people think it is much more widespread than it is.

Because once you make western society = white supremacist = racist, now you can paint it as evil and something that should be destroyed.


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