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Ace Midnight
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"Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
of human endeavor.

Military prowess. Technology. Wealth generation. Standard of living, particularly for the middle class. Lifting teeming masses out of poverty (particularly via capitalism). Reasonably responsible government. Safety. Security. The excess capacity to help out the developing world and neighbors in times of crisis.

Sure, there have been issues. Colonialism, most recently. This superiority in key areas has led to a certain amount of white supremacy (whether violently racist, epitomized by Nazism, or the soft bigotry of low expectations demonstrated by, perhaps well-intentioned, progressives in the West). Plus the 2 European wars that put the world at risk.

But, is preaching its virtues (of which there are clearly many), per se racist or a form of racism?

Discuss.
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HottyToddy7
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
We are too far past a major war. We have grown comfortable and soft. Small issues have become major issues. I’m not for pointless wars but we need a jolt to get back to issues that actually matter.
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
The freedoms afforded to people in White Western civilizations is what allows things like Black supremacy to exist.

Imagine if a group like Black Lives Matter tried to start up in China...the government there would put their boot through it with a quickness.


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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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But, is preaching its virtues (of which there are clearly many), per se racist or a form of racism?


To the left, it definitely is. We're supposed to believe that all cultures are equal & there are no shithole countries.


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Centinel
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
Western civilization was built by the white male patriarchy.

Anything touched by the white male patriarchy must be destroyed and erased from history.

Therefore, western civilization must be destroyed and erased.



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Wtodd
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas

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Discuss.

Bc whitey


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GumboPot
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Discuss


The invention of the metal lathe and the discovery of penicillin were MAJOR advances in western civilization.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
the future is female

DWI


Chromdome35
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
I have thought this for quite a while now. I agree with you 100%.


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GumboPot
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
What other cultures besides the west keeps pushing the human advancement envelope? China? IDK. China seems to just copy and reproduce what westerners discover and invent.


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Centinel
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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the future is female

DWI



Right up until the economy collapses and war breaks out.

Our civilization is a very thin veneer over millions of years of violence, rape, and murder.


SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
yes

only fools think that this abundant state (that patriarchal, Western culture has created) is NOT the reason why we can be so critical of "the West"

those who think that things like violence and aggression are simply toxic results of the patriarchal west are ignorant to the extreme. those who believe that by removing the culture, we will remove those externalities from society are dangerous

they want to create a system ripe for those who are strong and without empathy to takeover


RolltidePA
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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e are too far past a major war. We have grown comfortable and soft. Small issues have become major issues. I’m not for pointless wars but we need a jolt to get back to issues that actually matter.


There is a lot of truth here. There hasn't been a large scale national issue that has galvanized a large portion of the citizenry in a long time. We've replaced that energy with identity politics and a bunch of shite that just doesn't matter when you get down to it.

As a whole, we've lost our focus.


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Placebeaux
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
Western Civilization, where would women be without it.


Centinel
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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Western Civilization, where would women be without it.



Saudi Arabia



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wmr
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
You have to understand the position of critique and where it comes from.

Those who are focused on concepts like "White supremacy" are rooted in their deep hatred of the West and Europeans.

It's simple, when viewed from their perspective.

1. Within the West, all other cultures are encouraged to have "pride", and every contribution is magnified, while every short-coming is explained as "oppression".

2. ANY pride in the West, or within European people groups, is called "white supremacy" and considered to be hateful and evil.

Those two points are illogical, unless you understand that the people driving the Left absolutely fricking hate the West and white people. Once you understand the basis, what you hear on NPR makes more sense. They hate you. They hate your parents, and they hate your children, and any future grandchildren.

Hate them back.
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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system ripe for those who are strong and without empathy to takeover





trump


Centinel
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
You idiots can't help yourselves can you?


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SlowFlowPro
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
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trump

oh yes Trump, the guy who can't get a wall built or repeal the ACA is just flexing on us


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crazy4lsu
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re: "Western Civilization" has demonstrated its superiority in many areas
The main area in which the West is far ahead of the rest of the world is the ability to be self-critical. Which is why takes like "the West is best" strike me as odd. The Enlightenment-era values developed in part as a rejection to Judeo-Christian norms in Western Europe. It was a self-critical movement, one which spawned every major -ism the world sees today, from capitalism to communism (Marx's point of departure was Locke, among many others) to fascism (the early Italian fascists specifically rejected materialism) to even Islamism (a self-critical movement started only when faced by Western superiority).

That self-critique is important, because unlike many other civilizations (literally every other civilization), Europeans realized the benefit of that criticism would manifest itself as progress, even if the results were horrible in of themselves. Divorcing the "Western Civilization" from things like colonialism is to ignore how immediately self-critical people were of the colonial project. George Orwell has this amazing essay of being in Burma (maybe, I can't remember right now) as a colonial administrator, and the tension he felt being both apart of the colonial project and fundamentally against it.

The lack of ability of self-critique is fundamentally why I can't support any Western chauvinists, because I think it is insecure for no reason. So what if women blame the "white patriarchy" for their station? I've never seen a chauvinist point out the history of women's liberation is tied to the history of the liberation of men as well. It isn't as though the lives of the peasant man was meaningfully much better than the peasant woman. Any Enlightenment era philosopher would support something like multiculturalism, as there is nothing more multicultural than the notion that "all men (and implicitly women, children, all races, all genders, etc.) are created equal." Locke specifically supported the notion of this sort of equality. The Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor goes into great detail about the Enlightenment and Multiculturalism in his book, but there is one fatal flaw in this metric; the whole project comes apart when one group demands special recognition, for any reason whatsoever.

Thus the real tension is that by suggesting that white men are owed something specifically by virtue of building this civilization, or that women are owed something, or that any specific racial, religious, ethnic, gender group are owed something, the whole project is thrown into disarray, because with recognition, the notion becomes not "all men are created equal" but "some are more equal than others."

The West, in order to remain as the superior civilization, must remain self-critical to the degree that it can withstand these critiques, and indeed, account for them under the terms the civilization has already established. Indeed, many critical movements started, from workers rights, to women's liberation, to modernism to postmodernity, from the tension and the disappointment of the ruling class failing to live up to the primary Enlightenment ideal, that "all men are created equal."


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