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re: West continues to inflame Russia situation
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:59 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:59 am to Bunk Moreland
The rise of Putin and the oligarchs are a really good lesson that I hope we learn when future authoritarian regimes fall.
Although, there isn't really a nice way to prevent that from happening in a resource-rich country. That's when we have to use the CIA and they don't have the best track record exactly.
Although, there isn't really a nice way to prevent that from happening in a resource-rich country. That's when we have to use the CIA and they don't have the best track record exactly.
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Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:01 am to jp4lsu
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In 2014
Irrelevant to today.
That government is not in power today.
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The US is not innocent
Where did I say that, Mr. non-sequitor?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:03 am to michael corleone
Appeasement worked great in the late 1930's...
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:03 am to jp4lsu
Hilarious that you are being downvoted.
NATO was created to contain the Soviet Union. It collapses and what does NATO do? Expand further all the way to Russia's border and install all the latest American missile systems.
There is no reality in which the US allows another major power to park weapons systems in Mexico. Why on Earth did anyone think you could do it to Russia without any friction?
NATO was created to contain the Soviet Union. It collapses and what does NATO do? Expand further all the way to Russia's border and install all the latest American missile systems.
There is no reality in which the US allows another major power to park weapons systems in Mexico. Why on Earth did anyone think you could do it to Russia without any friction?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:04 am to TBoy
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Finland’s decision whether to join NATO is Finland’s own. How could OP consider this some sort of inflammation of Russia?
Haven’t the posters on this board said for months this is a Europe thing? Well I guess these European countries are figuring it out.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:07 am to jp4lsu
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Isolating Russia since the 90's is why are here.
They were not being isolated; they sell oil and make him and the other oligarchs a mint. Why we are here is that we have a dementia-ridden president in office right now, and it was the right time for them to make a move.
All facts say that if Trump were in office, THIS would not have happened.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:08 am to Tigerlaff
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There is no reality in which the US allows another major power to park weapons systems in Mexico
This is such a shitty analogy.
We don't have to worry about this unicorn threat because of the liberalization and economic-diplomatic relationships b/w Mexico and the US.
These sorts of relationships Russia has failed at making. NATO and the EU are these sorts of relationships and the reason why they keep expanding is because more countries want liberal democracies with (relatively) free trade rather than authoritarianism and isolationism.
The expansion of free trade is the expansion of peace. Russia has rejected this and it's has a shitty economy and paranoia.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:08 am to chrome_daddy
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:14 am to chrome_daddy
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Why do you care about Russia? Frick them.
Like it or not, if you put a bear in a corner and then commence to poke it, you best expect a reaction.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:15 am to SDVTiger
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Becuase most dont want Putin to lose it and start a nuke war
So because he has nukes the world should just step back and ask if he’d like anything else to go along with Ukraine?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with NATO and other countries around Russia joining NATO to protect themselves from future Russian aggression. Putin shouldn’t be a winey childish little bitch about it (and he wouldn’t be if he knew he has no plans to try and take them one day). I’ve never seen NATO just say “you know what? Today we’re attacking Russia because it’s Tuesday”.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:17 am to narddogg81
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so the issue is Russia doesn't want NATO countries on Russia border, so Russia tries to take over an incorporate a country with NATO countries on it's border. Makes sense
Exactly!
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:19 am to jp4lsu
Public: Frick Russia. Make them pay!
Also Public: Why are my gas prices up. Evil oil companies! Why is inflation so bad?
Also Public: Why are my gas prices up. Evil oil companies! Why is inflation so bad?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:19 am to jp4lsu
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The idiotic foreign policy of the US and EU the last 25 yrs is what got us here.
Is ignorance inherited ?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:21 am to Tigerlaff
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NATO was created to contain the Soviet Union. It collapses and what does NATO do? Expand further all the way to Russia's border and install all the latest American missile systems.
Are you inferring that NATO expanded into these countries against their wishes? These countries knew they were under Russia's thumb, and sought the protection of NATO, and considering what's going on in Ukraine, they were damn smart to do so, weren't they?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:21 am to Langland
quote:this is dumb. Russia put themselves in a corner.
Like it or not, if you put a bear in a corner and then commence to poke it, you best expect a reaction.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:25 am to Auburn1968
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It's not like Putin invaded Ukraine in a naked act of aggression.
Thousands of tank killing fire and forget Javelin like weapons are going to Ukraine.
Putin could have gotten away with absorbing the Russian areas, but Ukrainians have a very long and bitter history with Russia.
Unless I'm wrong, the Ukrainians only got armed by the west after Russia invaded in 2014.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:26 am to jp4lsu
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West continues to inflame Russia situation
So the EU is currently offering Ukraine membership. The US in December said it was up to the Ukraine if the wanted to be in NATO. Now Finland is looking at joint NATO admist all this. This is the reason we are where we are in Ukraine...more NATO countries on Russia's border, so he lets add one up north for good measure. Lets further isolate Russia and Putin and inflame the situation. Isolating Russia since the 90's is why are here. The idiotic foreign policy of the US and EU the last 25 yrs is what got us here.
You sound like a liberal saying to some lady that a gang banger is robbing that she should just let him steal what isn't his because opposing him might piss the criminal off and "inflame the situation".
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:30 am to Tigerlaff
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There is no reality in which the US allows another major power to park weapons systems in Mexico. Why on Earth did anyone think you could do it to Russia without any friction?
Right, maybe if we had a century's worth of history of genociding and brutalizing Mexicans by the millions, it'd be a comparable analogy. We didn't, so it's not.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:34 am to jp4lsu
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The idiotic foreign policy of the US and EU the last 25 yrs is what got us here.
The idiotic foreign policy of Russia got us here.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:36 am to Tigerlaff
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NATO was created to contain the Soviet Union. It collapses and what does NATO do? Expand further all the way to Russia's border and install all the latest American missile systems.
What annoys me more than anything: Putin approached NATO to join in 1999 and we snubbed him.
The US "braintrust" viewed a multipolar NATO as less desirable than ending any threat of Russian aggression. Because why take 'some' when you can push to take 'all'?
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