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Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:12 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It's funny to me how pissed off so many people seem to be that Bolton hasn't fulfilled their preconceived notions of him and started a bunch of wars yet.
True...frankly, I think everyone in the admin understands that a war with Iran isn't in the cards...the country/the electorate would vomit all over it.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:12 pm to MrLarson
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Does not equal purchased product being blown up.
Idiot.
You're not even making sense...par for the course.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:13 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
It's funny to me how pissed off so many people seem to be that Bolton hasn't fulfilled their preconceived notions of him and started a bunch of wars yet.
Don't give up hope, I guess.
Not pissed. I don't want another war in the Middle East. But when seventeen other people turn you down to be your National Security Advisor and all that's left in the somewhat Republican national security stable is a neocon outcast from baby Bush's term then I guess you take what you can get
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:13 pm to boosiebadazz
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I don't think Trump can walk it back and sit down with the Iranians now. He made his decision and he'd look weak to his base right before an election. I guess the only other option is kinetic military force Bomb, bomb, bomb, Bomb bomb Iran.
I don't think he will do anything yet, it would take a lot more than this to set that into motion. As far as looking weak, nope. Now if they are targeting our ships/military, that is a whole different story.
I guess we will just sit back and watch what does or doesn't happen from the cheap seats.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:14 pm to boosiebadazz
Who'd be a better 'bad cop'?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:14 pm to Tractor Tug60
Affirmative action hire
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:16 pm to Auslander
quote:
No they didn't. If they did, show the proof
There's an unexploded limpet mine on one of those boats. Won't take long to find out where it was manufactured.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:18 pm to boosiebadazz
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rational self-interest
I was with you until this segment. There is nothing rational on the part of the Iranians in escalating any part of this into an armed conflict. It would be the end of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Ayatollah.
Attacking neutral vessels flying under neutral flags in international waters is not in ANYONE’s “rational best interest”. Germany cost itself World War I pulling that stunt.
Not to mention that one of the ships is Japanese and the attack was conducted while PM Abe is in Tehran meeting with Khomeini. Just nothing rational about it, or thier statement that “if we can’t have stability, no one will”. Nothing at all. There is no positive outcome for Iran in taking that path.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:21 pm to Uncs
quote:u sure they exist?
Japan warships
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:23 pm to OchoDedos
quote:
There's an unexploded limpet mine on one of those boats. Won't take long to find out where it was manufactured.
Just wait until it turns out to be Russian equipment.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:23 pm to boosiebadazz
You think all of this is a joke don't you. While you rub one out at the idea of someone else's children dying so you can jerk or finger yourself furiously. A giggling POS is how you are projecting yourself. Trump has tried to stay out of war, But it appears the Iranians want one bad. They have the backing of the American left and maybe the Russians so perhaps that has emboldened them.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:24 pm to Indefatigable
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I was with you until this segment. There is nothing rational on the part of the Iranians in escalating any part of this into an armed conflict. It would be the end of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Ayatollah.
Attacking neutral vessels flying under neutral flags in international waters is not in ANYONE’s “rational best interest”. Germany cost itself World War I pulling that stunt.
Not to mention that one of the ships is Japanese and the attack was conducted while PM Abe is in Tehran meeting with Khomeini. Just nothing rational about it, or thier statement that “if we can’t have stability, no one will”. Nothing at all. There is no rational positive outcome for Iran in taking that path.
This thread is operating on the premise it really was the Iranians and we're "going to war". I agree that we would ultimately beat the Iranians militarily, and I think they know that in their heart of hears. However, the diplomatic path has been removed from them, so what else do they have? The powers that be are starving under sanctions and cannot keep with the status quo. So you get a proxy to bomb a "neutral" ship as a shot across the bow to the Americans. They didn't run out a Revolutionary Guard ski boat to get massacred by an American warship. Asymmetrical warfare is all they have left, and they're (presumably) using it to sow discord and chaos amongst the West.
I can';t help but also think they noticed Trump walk away in Syria and do everything he could to have a diplomatic solution in NK and are making the calculated gamble he won’t respond militarily for Japan’s ship.
It's not a great option fr them, but every option for them is just picking between terrible options. This one gets them the most reward with the least amount of risk.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:24 pm to skinny domino
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u sure they exist?
Indeed they do. Japan’s MSDF is one of the more capable Navys on the planet, even if it goes by a difference name to remain constitutional. They have 2/3 F-35 capable aircraft carriers officially classified as destroyers.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:25 pm to MrLarson
No we won’t.
But we will get even better sanctions against them.
Their economy will get worse.
And this time, unlike Obama, we might actually help the dissidents overthrow the number one terrorist nation on Earth!
But no, Iran cannot survive a US led coalition, and they know it.
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But we will get even better sanctions against them.
Their economy will get worse.
And this time, unlike Obama, we might actually help the dissidents overthrow the number one terrorist nation on Earth!
But no, Iran cannot survive a US led coalition, and they know it.
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:26 pm to MrLarson
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We're Going To War With Iran -
quote:
They bombed Japanese oil tankers
Japan can handle itself. No need to get involved
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:27 pm to Nguyener
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They bombed Japanese oil tankers Japan can handle itself. No need to get involved
They are not owned by Japan and the product was never delivered to/received by Japan. So it’s not really their problem either.
Edit: correction - one of the ships is owned by a Japanese merchant.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:29 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
This thread is operating on the premise it really was the Iranians and we're "going to war". I agree that we would ultimately beat the Iranians militarily, and I think they know that in their heart of hears. However, the diplomatic path has been removed from them, so what else do they have? The powers that be are starving under sanctions and cannot keep with the status quo. So you get a proxy to bomb a "neutral" ship as a shot across the bow to the Americans. They didn't run out a Revolutionary Guard ski boat to get massacred by an American warship. Asymmetrical warfare is all they have left, and they're (presumably) using it to sow discord and chaos amongst the West.
I can';t help but also think they noticed Trump walk away in Syria and do everything he could to have a diplomatic solution in NK.
It's not a great option fr them, but every option for them is just picking between terrible options. This one gets them the most reward with the least amount of risk.
So in your summation Trump is breaking them.
Trump has done more in two years than what your boy couldn't do in eight and 130 billion under cost.
Does he have your vote in 2020?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:30 pm to boosiebadazz
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However, the diplomatic path has been removed from them, so what else do they have?
Well they could actually come to the table, which they have refused to do for 40 years.
Iran is between a rock and a hard place because they insist on funding Hezbollah and other groups. No one made this bed for them. If Iran would come out of its terrorism sponsoring shell, they are objectively a much better hypothetical partner for peace in the Middle East than the gd Saudis.
That Iran sees their options as limited because they refuse to take a measured, realistic, or rational approach does not excuse tactics like attacking neutral shipping. If they feel froggy, then they should jump. But attacking shipping IS NOT going to improve their suffering under sanctions. If anything, the sanctions will now be even more burdensome and widespread.
Nothing about this action, if it was indeed Tehran, makes since from their strategic position. There is no win for them here. The West is not going to let them attack ships in the Straight. Period.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:30 pm to MrLarson
yeah, oil tankers exploding in the straight is actually a good thing. They’re totally broken Your sycophancy knows no bounds.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 2:31 pm
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