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Well here is the "no spit Sherlock" statement of the day, week and year.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:36 am
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Navy secretary says it's hard to get workers to want to build warships if they get paid what they might make at Buc-ee's or Amazon
Chris Panella
Tue, November 18, 2025 at 7:06 AM EST
US Navy Secretary John Phelan said the service is focused on improving wages for shipbuilders.
Officials, experts, and industry figures have all said that competitive pay is needed to hire and retain skilled workers. Some new investments in better pay have already started to yield positive results.
US Navy Secretary John Phelan said the shipbuilding industry needs to up its wages if it's going to attract and retain workers.
Phelan, like other Navy officials, experts, and leaders in the shipbuilding sector, has identified pay disparity as a major cause of US shipbuilding problems, as insufficient pay can make it harder to build up a skilled workforce for specialized jobs.
Navy secretary says it's hard to get workers to want to build warships if they get paid what they might make at Buc-ee's or Amazon
Chris Panella
Tue, November 18, 2025 at 7:06 AM EST
US Navy Secretary John Phelan said the service is focused on improving wages for shipbuilders.
Officials, experts, and industry figures have all said that competitive pay is needed to hire and retain skilled workers. Some new investments in better pay have already started to yield positive results.
US Navy Secretary John Phelan said the shipbuilding industry needs to up its wages if it's going to attract and retain workers.
Phelan, like other Navy officials, experts, and leaders in the shipbuilding sector, has identified pay disparity as a major cause of US shipbuilding problems, as insufficient pay can make it harder to build up a skilled workforce for specialized jobs.
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:38 am to Eurocat
It’s a huge problem in Texas
People don’t want to do outdoor labor for less than $20 an hour
Why bother when they can make $12-$15 an hour in the air conditioning at a huge gas station or stocking the shelves at a huge grocery store.
People don’t want to do outdoor labor for less than $20 an hour
Why bother when they can make $12-$15 an hour in the air conditioning at a huge gas station or stocking the shelves at a huge grocery store.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:47 am to Eurocat
Guess the government should pay the contractors more and stop funneling money to themselves.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:47 am to Old Sarge
The low wage employees dont fully understand its not entirely difficult to get valuable experience and lessons working a low wage job then use that experience to go build your own company. Work an outdoor labor job and learn how and why you do everything and you're valuable.
Youre not gonna open a buccees no matter how long you work for them. At least 99.999% chance you're not going to.
Youre not gonna open a buccees no matter how long you work for them. At least 99.999% chance you're not going to.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:49 am to Old Sarge
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It’s a huge problem in Texas
People don’t want to do outdoor labor for less than $20 an hour
A sizeable chunk of the shipbuilding process is done indoors nowadays.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:56 am to Eurocat
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Officials, experts, and industry figures have all said that competitive pay is needed to hire and retain skilled workers. Some new investments in better pay have already started to yield positive results.
3G and 4G welding, often required for shipbuilding, isn't just something you can self teach. You use two different rod types and two different heats and processes depending on whether you're doing the root pass or the fill. Sometimes the filler isn't with rod, but dual-shielded flux core wire. It requires formal education or at least being taught by a certified welder who can show you the nuances and what to look for. X-rax quality welds are simple enough for anyone with the desire to do it and the patience, but they call it "skilled labor" for a reason.
It's hot and nasty, especially if you're doing 4G overhead with SMAW or DSFC processes. You live inside a shower of white-hot slag raining down upon you. No one wants to do that for $16 an hour when they can run a skid steer on the side of the highway for more money.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:25 pm to TigerAxeOK
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TigerAxeOK
You have my full respect. I work as an estimator these days and I'm quite glad to not have to run work in the field as a superintendent anymore. But when in the field, if push came to shove, I could hold my own in any task from shoveling mud and pumping water, to finish carpentry - but welding is the one skill that always eluded me. Best I could do was make whatever I was trying to weld look like a porcupine with about 30 rods stuck to it at all kinds of odd angles. Much respect to you and your welding brethren!
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:26 pm to Eurocat
Young people are lazy and don’t want to work. It’s sad we’ve got to this point.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:32 pm to BarnHater
Cut off benefits. People will go work.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:33 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Yep. We need to starve them out so they’ll get off their asses and stop playing video games all day.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:33 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Union Shipyard Workers are some of the laziest, most entitled sacks of shite on the planet.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:36 pm to Old Sarge
I don't know about shipbuilders, but pipeline welders make a hell of a lot more than $20 an hour, and have for a long time.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:36 pm to Eurocat
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Navy secretary says it's hard to get workers to want to build warships if they get paid what they might make at Buc-ee's or Amazon
Doubt this is accurate. How much does an amazon worker or buccee's employee make. I'm talking labor, not management.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:38 pm to TigerAxeOK
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No one wants to do that for $16 an hour
I don't know any welders that make $16/hour. They make much more.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:45 pm to TigerAxeOK
quote:Everybody wants to be a welder, until it’s time to do welder work.
You live inside a shower of white-hot slag raining down upon you. No one wants to do that for $16 an hour
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:48 pm to Eurocat
Fair point.
The average CEO salary for the Top 5 defense contractors is $22 Million.
Start there?
The average CEO salary for the Top 5 defense contractors is $22 Million.
Start there?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:32 pm to RFK
Agreed.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 5:39 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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The low wage employees dont fully understand its not entirely difficult to get valuable experience and lessons working a low wage job then use that experience to go build your own company. Work an outdoor labor job and learn how and why you do everything and you're valuable.
True. Learning plumbing, concrete, carpentry, mechanic skills, etc are good for this. Work under someone, learn the ropes and make necessary connections, then become a contractor yourself
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:35 pm to Taxing Authority
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Everybody wants to be a welder, until it’s time to do welder work.
Especially when, like me, you're also your own fitter.
Now in full disclosure, my primary job isn't to weld, but it's certainly a major part of what I do. Especially when fabricating or performing repairs. I've managed to not be under a hood yet this week, but I'll be stuck under one for 10 hours tomorrow since I typed that out.
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