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re: We Turned Our Backs on God
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:00 am to CoachDon
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:00 am to CoachDon
Very good analysis.
We have moved to live outside of the Bible's teachings and instead bend the rules on the basis of ïnclusion" which brings everyone down to the weakest link of the chain.
We have moved to live outside of the Bible's teachings and instead bend the rules on the basis of ïnclusion" which brings everyone down to the weakest link of the chain.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:01 am to CoachDon
The Christian Religion has always been the Enemy of The State
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:02 am to Redtuff
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So you understand they believe Jesus is in hell and there is no heaven, got it.
That has nothing to do with the subject at hand. The religious doctrines are very clearly different, otherwise they would be the same religion.
The social morality that Jewish and Christian societies have developed side-by-side over the last 2,000 years share more common themes than differences.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:03 am to CoachDon
I'm not as religious as many of you on here.
I will say we have turned out back on general human decency which is preached by Christ and the Bible, but would reach a larger audience maybe?
I will say we have turned out back on general human decency which is preached by Christ and the Bible, but would reach a larger audience maybe?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:03 am to WorkinDawg
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That's actually the opposite of what he said.
No, it isn't.
He specifically said that people who did not believe in god as their creator held no rational basis for their belief in right and wrong.
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but have no rational basis to justify this instinct without belief in the God who created them as moral creatures
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:05 am to dstone12
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How is being the minority pro-God and getting punished for it a result of His Perfect will? I struggle with that. As you can see.
We are guaranteed nothing. Be encouraged. He has overtaken the world.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:07 am to The Maj
Isaiah 5:20
“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
2 Timothy 3:1-5 ESV / 343 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:07 am to Indefatigable
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He specifically said that people who did not believe in god as their creator held no rational basis for their belief in right and wrong.
You can't leave out the first half of the sentence. That is where your answer is found.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:08 am to Redtuff
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Christianity turned to "muh feelings, muh contemporary music and muh adopt third world kids"
Those aren’t the primary, secondary or tertiary issues with Christianity.
The mainline denominations were taken over by the historical critical theorists. The conservatives are being taken over.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:10 am to CoachDon
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He caters to Muslims,
he definitely preached to them in UAE i think. benedict spoke badly of them and called them out then he was threatened. good for benedict.
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Homosexuality
was that the who am i to judge comment? well thank christ traditional marriage is still taught and no open ordination or marrying of homosexuals happens like in 7 other churches that have been ruined and capitulated to gay marriage. i warned every son of a bitch here once gay marriage was legalized it would ruin certain churches and it has plus the shove it down your throat militant crap like with the cake bakers. i also warned it is like a gateway drug/pandora's box that opened up the argument for these mentally ill transgenders now. from which we never heard shite from before.
definitely need new more conservative blood in the vatican in regards to the bishop of rome. cannot happen soon enough.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:11 am to WorkinDawg
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You can't leave out the first half of the sentence. That is where your answer is found.
No, it isn't. The first part of the sentence does nothing to change the second part of it.
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They instinctively know good from evil because of this but have no rational basis to justify this instinct without belief in the God who created them as moral creatures.
So they know good and evil, but have no rational basis for doing so unless they believe in god.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:11 am to Indefatigable
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Some of the world's most prolific philosophical writings and beliefs come from those places. I guess its all just irrational mumbo jumbo because they do not believe in the same god you do?
There is no rational basis for objective morality without an epistemology that includes something beyond the material world.
Christianity believes God has imprinted right and wrong into humanity’s psyche.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:13 am to The Maj
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As a country we most certainly have...
As a country, as a culture, as a people, and as human beings, the USA has most certainly turned its back on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
That's why the USA's current cultural Zeitgeist calls wanton destruction based on the rejected notion of Collective Guilt "Virtuous". It is not virtuous. It is evil. It is Satanic, Luciferian, Demonic and more in line with some of the Pagan religions of the Old Testament in its approach to Justice.
Justice is NOT "Collective Guilt" or "Blood Guilt". These two notions of justice are IN-Justice in the extreme. And yet here we are in 2020 USA embracing these rejected notions of Justice.
No nation-state can long survive under such conditions, not even the vaunted USA, my friends.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:15 am to the808bass
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There is no rational basis for objective morality without an epistemology that includes something beyond the material world.
Why?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:16 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Define God.
He is the Creator whom we don’t have to work our way up to, because he came down and made a way for us to know him eternally.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:19 am to CoachDon
We turned our back on reason as well.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:20 am to CoachDon
You religious ppl crack me up.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:21 am to Indefatigable
quote:Flying blind? No. They are flying by what seems right in their own eyes, which is based on their starting axioms and presuppositions.
So your position is that between 4 and 5 billion people have no rational basis to justify their belief in what is right and what is wrong? They are just flying blind?
People know on some level what is right and wrong because God made us to be moral creatures. Sin perverts this understanding and causes us to seek after our own desires, which often times are not in alignment with the moral character of God.
quote:What I'm getting at is that if you have no objective foundation for moral reasoning, you are left with subjective opinion or preference, which results in a moral foundation based on arbitrariness, which is irrational.
Some of the world's most prolific philosophical writings and beliefs come from those places. I guess its all just irrational mumbo jumbo because they do not believe in the same god you do?
When someone takes the stance that morality is based on "the most good for the most people", the reason for it is usually that we are empathetic people who don't like bad things happening to us and we feel bad when bad things happen to other people. We benefit (survive/thrive) when "good" things happen to us and we are part of a group that relies on each other for the most part and therefore what's best for the group is usually best for us. This in turn becomes the moral compass.
What that reasoning fails to address is why what's best for me and therefore best for the group the "right" approach to morality? Why does empathy need to play a role in it? Why is the entire paradigm considered the only right way?
When you ask some probing questions, you find out that there isn't a good answer or justification for even a moral standard based on utility, which is my ultimate point. When you take a step back, only the Biblical God creates the possibility of objective moral reasoning, making all other standards ultimately subjective and arbitrary (irrational).
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:21 am to Indefatigable
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So they know good and evil, but have no rational basis for doing so unless they believe in god.
Dude, it's not that hard to understand.
Here is the quote:
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They were created in the image of God and have the moral law of God written on their hearts. They instinctively know good from evil because of this but have no rational basis to justify this instinct without belief in the God who created them as moral creatures.
Being created in the image of God, we have moral law and understanding of good/ evil written in our hearts (this is the exact opposite of "winging it"). Otherwise, there is no rational basis for understanding of good vs evil.
You obviously don't believe this. But at least base your unbelief on proper understanding
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:21 am to CoachDon
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We Turned Our Backs on God
Amen
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