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re: We Turned Our Backs on God
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:02 pm to LSUconvert
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:02 pm to LSUconvert
quote:I'm trying to be accurate with my words, not simply change them for the sake of feelings.
We're agreeing, dude. You're just using different words because they make you feel better.
Your comment about logic not being why I believe/disbelieve was provided in response to to my asking you why you gave the crazy emoji. The most reasonable conclusion is that you are saying I'm crazy because I believe what I believe irrespective to logic and reason. I'm attempting to explain how a person cannot be "reasoned" into faith yet the object of the Christian's faith is the necessary precondition for all logic and reason.
You think my faith is crazy because it isn't based in reason. I'm saying the object of my faith is what makes reason possible and therefore is the most reasonable thing there is.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:05 pm to CoachDon
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I'm not the best example of a good Christian, and I don't regularly attend church on Sunday. Personally, I don't think you have to. I do, however, find myself always praying an awful lot in private. Moreover, having conversations with God.
Our "culture" has literally been turned inside out from what I was used to as a young person.
God isn't welcome in schools, or anywhere in public. Muslims are allowed to face Mecca and pray on work time, but you can be fired for having a Bible at your desk.
Transgenderism, Homosexuality, and all it entails is the new norm, and allowed to be taught to children as "normal". We allow parents to abuse their children by claiming them as non-gender specific, or even allow toddlers to change their gender.
The left imposes its will without any moral compass to completely undermine the fabric of the country and turn it on its head.
Social media is turning our kids, friends, and family against us my censoring views that oppose the agenda of the left. One time strong conservative views are now seen as racist and archaic by the young, because of the constant barrage of the left and its mass media machine.
We kill babies and sell baby parts for gain, and still allow those entities to be federally funded.
We have become comfortable with people telling us what we are and aren't allowed to say. It's also okay for people to tell you that because you don't espouse to their viewpoints, you are racist.
Even the Pope is the antithesis of what a Pope representing the catholic faith should be for the church and its people. He caters to Muslims, Homosexuality, and a myriad of un-Godly things that directly oppose what is traditional and of the Word of God.
George Washington stated in his famous farewell address, “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
Ronald Reagan forewarned, “Without God, there is no virtue because there’s no prompting of the conscience. And without God, democracy will not and cannot endure. If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
Pray folks. Pray for each other, the country, and our world.
We live in very very strange and challenging times.
You got to add the one person that I'm upset and disappointed with due to his action. Moral values are no longer there in this Country. Bill Clinton. He had oral sex at the White House when he was President of the United States. What surprised me were the comments that people posted when there was any connection to Bill Clinton or used him as an example of it's okay to have affair or what Bill Clinton did was okay and he got no punishment and served out his final 2nd term. Acting like it is no big deal! This is what have been going on in this Country. Affairs is not okay! It's a sin! But people in this Country and other Countries do not care! It is getting out of control! It's getting worst! History is repeating all over again! The fall of America may come true if people are not going to stop committing sins! Go check out History and it shows that all powerful civilizations collapsed.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:23 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm attempting to explain how a person cannot be "reasoned" into faith
I know, bud. It's not the reason you believe, just as it wont be the reason you stop. You're repeating what I said.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:23 pm to TrueLefty
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You got to add the one person that I'm upset and disappointed with due to his action. Moral values are no longer there in this Country. Bill Clinton. He had oral sex at the White House when he was President of the United States.
There is a ZERO percent chance that Bill Clinton was the first President to get some strange in the White House. If the rumors are true, it's like a third of them. He was just the one who got caught.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:25 pm to LSUconvert
quote:I know what you're saying. It's an attempt to make people of faith appear to be irrational. You're missing the point entirely.
I know, bud. It's not the reason you believe, just as it wont be the reason you stop. You're repeating what I said
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:29 pm to FooManChoo
Crusade Christianity >>>>>>> zion "christianity".
Its almost as if there was a tangible change in the last 150 years.... because there was.
Its almost as if there was a tangible change in the last 150 years.... because there was.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:29 pm to longwayfromLA
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You got to add the one person that I'm upset and disappointed with due to his action. Moral values are no longer there in this Country. Bill Clinton. He had oral sex at the White House when he was President of the United States.
There is a ZERO percent chance that Bill Clinton was the first President to get some strange in the White House. If the rumors are true, it's like a third of them. He was just the one who got caught.
You do not get it! The people who posted comments saying Bill Clinton did it!(Affair-sinner) So, It's okay to do what he did. No one cares about commiting whoredom or having an affair! That is what's wrong with this Country right now!
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:30 pm to FooManChoo
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That said, logic and reason only make sense within a Christian/Biblical worldview.
Your insistence on this frame of mind is one of the most outlandish things you post on here on this topic.
Logic and reason did not exist before Christianity or before the Biblical texts were authored? Massive swaths of the planet have never proscribed to Christianity, the Bible, or any concept of the Abrahamic god, or any of his purported teachings whatsoever.
Are you saying that logic and reason are non-existent in the ethos of those societies? Or just that those people simply aren't educated enough and don't know why they do what they do?
The mindset that nothing logical, foundational, or reasonably supportable can exist without the specific mindset that you adhere to is quite an egocentric way of viewing the world.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:32 pm to TiketheMiger
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The US started off as a 100% religious country
Totally untrue. Many of the most important people in early American history were agnostic at best.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:33 pm to FooManChoo
Murdered millions of babies since 1973. We have surpassed Sodom and Gomorrah in evil and you know what happened to them.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:36 pm to Apollyon
quote:Biblical Christianity >>>>>>>> all other nominal forms of Christianity.
Crusade Christianity >>>>>>> zion "christianity".
Not sure what you are on about as I've already said that I'm not a Zionist. I'm also not a crusader. I'm willing to die for my faith, not kill for it. The kingdom of God is spiritual until Christ returns.
quote:Are you talking about fundamentalism? If so, I'm not a fundamentalist, at least how it's defined today.
Its almost as if there was a tangible change in the last 150 years.... because there was.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:37 pm to FooManChoo
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the object of my faith is what makes reason possible and therefore is the most reasonable thing there is.
Well then I guess we'll just take your word for it.
Its one thing to hold fast to your beliefs. It is a totally separate thing to constantly assert that your beliefs are the only objective truths in the universe, and that everything (including those things which pre-date the institutional foundation of your worldview) cannot exist outside of those truths.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:37 pm to TrueLefty
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You do not get it! The people who posted comments saying Bill Clinton did it!(Affair-sinner) So, It's okay to do what he did. No one cares about commiting whoredom or having an affair! That is what's wrong with this Country right now!
Right. I'm saying that extra-marital affairs weren't invented in 1998. No one needed the Presidents permission to cheat. The same sort of men who would be interested in getting an beej from a rando in 1955 would be interested today. You have a rose colored view of the relatively purity of the past.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:40 pm to TrueLefty
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No one cares about commiting whoredom or having an affair!
Who said that no one cared? Millions and millions of people cared. What exactly did you want to happen or what do you propose that people should have done?
Were we going to riot and behead Clinton because he cheated on his wife? He had already been reelected and was term limited.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:48 pm to Indefatigable
quote:I find that to be surprising
Your insistence on this frame of mind is one of the most outlandish things you post on here on this topic.
quote:You're misunderstanding. I didn't say that logic and reason only make sense to Christians or only to people with access to the Bible. I said that they only make sense within a Christian/Biblical worldview. Without that underpinning (the truths revealed by God through His word), there is no rational basis for the existence of such universal, invariant, and logically necessary things.
Logic and reason did not exist before Christianity or before the Biblical texts were authored? Massive swaths of the planet have never proscribed to Christianity, the Bible, or any concept of the Abrahamic god, or any of his purported teachings whatsoever.
What I'm saying is that logic and reason require the existence of the Biblical God. Denying God while using reason would be like denying air exists while breathing it in to live.
quote:I'm saying people either don't know or understand the necessity of God for reason or they reject it outright.
Are you saying that logic and reason are non-existent in the ethos of those societies? Or just that those people simply aren't educated enough and don't know why they do what they do?
quote:No, I'm saying that the worldview provided by the Bible in terms of the characteristics and nature of God in relation to the universe is a necessary precondition for reason to be intelligible. I'm not saying that people have to understand the Bible to use reason, but that they need the Biblical God to exist in order to make sense of it from an axiomatic level.
The mindset that nothing logical, foundational, or reasonably supportable can exist without the specific mindset that you adhere to is next quite an egocentric way of viewing the world.
In essence, in order to use reason, you have to borrow from a biblical worldview. Or as Cornelius Van Til used to put it, those who reject God have to sit in His lap in order to slap His face.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
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bullshite. What was this country up to when it was "with god"? Slavery? Jim Crow? GTFO
How about carving the greatest civilization in history of man out of a wilderness?
To leftists, the past is just when bad people who were worse than you let their wickedness and sin run free across the land, so there's nothing even particularly interesting to know about it, let alone learn from it. In fact, any kind of rational, pragmatic assessment of the past is viewed with deep suspicion; the only reason to talk about the past is to either condemn the villains responsible for its wickedness or worship the heroes who helped birth the present.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:56 pm to FooManChoo
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It's an attempt to make people of faith appear to be irrational.
Nah. You do that all by yourself.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:56 pm to Indefatigable
quote:I'm sure I have all sorts of errors in my theology. No one is perfect in that regard. What I'm saying, though, is that the Biblical God provides the necessary preconditions for intelligibility, and that also includes logic and reason. When you get to the presuppositional level, this becomes more clear.
Its one thing to hold fast to your beliefs. It is a totally separate thing to constantly assert that your beliefs are the only objective truths in the universe, and that everything (including those things which pre-date the institutional foundation of your worldview) cannot exist outside of those truths.
What I've noticed people (including yourself, apparently) get hung up on is this notion that Christians like myself are promulgating an idea that the writings of the Bible are what make these things true and therefore anyone who existed prior to the codification of the texts could not have taken advantage of these truths. That is false.
What I'm saying is that there are fundamental truths that exist due to God's existence and that God's existence predates all of humanity. Therefore, whatever has always been true about the nature of God has been true prior to any peoples existing, much less prior to their religious observations. The Bible, therefore, is not creating new truths that haven't existed prior to Abraham or Moses, but it is revealing truths that have always existed regarding God. Therefore, it's not a timeline issue as many make it out to be but a revelation of eternal truth as revealed in the Bible.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:58 pm to LSUconvert
quote:Ah, there it is. At least you admit what I suspected. Have a good one.
Nah. You do that all by yourself.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:59 pm to FooManChoo
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Not sure what you are on about as I've already said that I'm not a Zionist. I'm also not a crusader. I'm willing to die for my faith, not kill for it. The kingdom of God is spiritual until Christ returns.
Look at you go, kneeler.
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