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Posted on 6/11/20 at 4:05 pm to FooManChoo
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What I'm saying is that there are fundamental truths that exist due to God's existence and that God's existence predates all of humanity.
So this thought process is just continually self-fulfilling? From everything you have posted in this thread, the principle takeaway is that in order to agree with your viewpoint, you must already accept said viewpoint. “It’s that way because it is that way” just is not good enough.
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The Bible, therefore, is not creating new truths that haven't existed prior to Abraham or Moses, but it is revealing truths that have always existed regarding God. Therefore, it's not a timeline issue as many make it out to be but a revelation of eternal truth as revealed in the Bible.
Take the timeline completely out of it. Huge populations do not accept these truths, and never have. How is it that those societies established and continue to establish their systems of morality and reasoned thought?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 4:34 pm to Indefatigable
quote:I'm providing you an explanation for what I've been saying in direct response to the questions and responses to my own. I haven't once said "it's that way because it is that way", however that phrase touches on the point of first principles. At some point you cannot appeal to a higher authority or greater reason. You have to come back to an uncaused cause or else you'd be stuck in an infinite regression. That uncaused cause is God. I'm describing the first principles behind logic and reason. Would you care to provide your view on the matter that avoids what you're saying I'm doing?
So this thought process is just continually self-fulfilling? From everything you have posted in this thread, the principle takeaway is that in order to agree with your viewpoint, you must already accept said viewpoint. “It’s that way because it is that way” just is not good enough
quote:They are living inconsistently within their own professed worldviews. The most common reason is that they simply don't give it any thought.
Take the timeline completely out of it. Huge populations do not accept these truths, and never have. How is it that those societies established and continue to establish their systems of morality and reasoned thought?
Think of the moral issue. How many people take the time to think about the basis for what they believe in terms of morality? How many people think about the logical conclusions that must be made if their moral framework were to be true which contradict what they claim to believe? People are sinners and don't live consistently with the truth even if they know what it is. How much more do people who don't know the truth live as walking contradictions?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 5:29 pm to PickupAutist
quote:Right. And it's gotten better, not worse.
How about carving the greatest civilization in history of man out of a wilderness?
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