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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…

Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:24 am to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:24 am to
You see no connection in criminal justice theory to community supervision and bail?
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5667 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:25 am to
There's a name for this........collapse of our Justice system.

Judges shield politicians and political parties from evidence of fraud and corruption. In one absurd development in Minnesota a democrat judge sets a $ 150,000 bond on Somali fraudster, but refuses to demand the crook turn over his passport. The Somali crook flees the country on the eve of his trail.

Meanwhile the crooked lawyers and judges throw everything at President Trump (Lawfare, FISA warrants issued by judges based on a fake dossier, repeated attempted to impeach him).

The country is overrun by ChiCom migrants........while SCOTUS prepares to issue a rullng in favor of birthright citizenship.

In spite of President Trump's best effort to stop the out-of-control lawlessness..........the crooks are winning.

The only one who stands between us and the crooks is President Donald Trump and his team.

This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 11:30 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61468 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:25 am to
I asked how often he thinks accused murderers are bailed out. You posted a stat about probation and parole.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:26 am to
Totalitarian regimes are often crime free

And I am definitely not saying El Salvador didn't need a totalitarian regime to get shite under control

But I am saying I don't want that for me or you
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:26 am to
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And opioid addiction


That's a bit highly specific. Might as well say "video game addiction" to use an input that didn't exist for most of the prior time period.

I'll go see what I can find about substance abuse rates, generally, though.

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And gambling addiction

We don't have good data on this and this is similar to the above where legalization has, finally, given us good data. It's hard to compare this to a time when gambling existed but couldn't be reported in any scientific fashion. Gambling has been a huge part of culture for a long, long time in America.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:27 am to
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Totalitarian regimes are often crime free

And I am definitely not saying El Salvador didn't need a totalitarian regime to get shite under control

But I am saying I don't want that for me or you


The same people who think we need this also think crime is higher now than in 1975-1995.

They're relying on (manipulated) feelings and not facts.

They also do not understand how expensive their system would be.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:28 am to
My apologies.

I forgot you were retarded.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:29 am to
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We don't have good data on this


Lol
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:29 am to
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The system would effectively grind to a halt without plea bargains. Our system cannot handle the amount of prosecutions we have, currently. That's why we have plea bargains.


Wait, so you’re telling me that crime is way down from your hellscape of the previous century, yet, at the same time, ask me to accept that crime is so prevalent now that it’s impossible to lawfully prosecute it all. Your words, the system would grind to a halt.

Now, attempt to work salad your way out of this obvious contradiction.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:29 am to
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The progressive mindset that incarceration along with law and order are bad


It's called living in fantasyland influenced by Hollywood. They think that every offender is a kind touch away from turning their whole lives around, which is complete horseshite. And even if it happens to be true in some cases, it's not the job of the state to be the kind touch.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:30 am to
Sick burn. You could try answering questions that were actually asked next time.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26730 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:30 am to
We can fix this broken justice system very easily. What we have now is a system that benefits leeches like you. We should close the law schools in this country for the next 30 years because we have more than a sufficiency of you, and let attrition thin your numbers .

Get rid of these Soros type DA's and soft on crime judges and put actual people with sense in office. Sure rights can be respected, but you dont keep putting criminals back on the street. Here's a novel idea, you give them a fair trial and if theyre found guilty, you lock them up. They actually serve their time.

Round up these gangs and criminal illegals. Deport those that don't belong here, and lock up the ones that do. Get them off the streets. You interfere with ICE and federal officers? You get arrested go on trial and you do time.

In short, actually enforce the law. Ordinary law abiding citizens lives wont change much, except they'll be safer, as they should be. Crooks like you will actually benefit because you'll be busy defending the scum in the courtrooms.

The scum? They won't be happy, because they get locked up.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:31 am to
The thread is clearly about the revolving door of the justice system.

You wanted to restrict it to a single part of the justice system (I think you’d be embarrassed there, too, if I wasted the time on the discussion with you).

I leave you to your ignorance.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:31 am to
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Wait, so you’re telling me that crime is way down from your hellscape of the previous century, yet, at the same time, ask me to accept that crime is so prevalent now that it’s impossible to lawfully prosecute it all.

Do you think plea bargains are a new thing?

Also, we spend less on these things today and our police are much better at solving crimes. Crime rate doesn't always perfectly follow prosecutions because some criminals are never discovered/caught.

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Now, attempt to work salad your way out of this obvious contradiction.

Your ignorance isn't a contradiction.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32406 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:32 am to
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How often do you think this happens? You must believe it’s a common occurrence to detail it here


I think this is a great case in point of “most of leftist discourse is leftist just pretending not to understand things,” but in case you’re actually that retarded:

NYC sees ‘staggering’ 146.5% spike in felony assaults by repeat offenders
Repeat, Violent Felons Re-Offend At 66.6% Rate In Study Of New York Bail System
The 1 % of the population accountable for 63 % of all violent crime convictions
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:33 am to
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It's called living in fantasyland influenced by Hollywood. They think that every offender is a kind touch away from turning their whole lives around, which is complete horseshite. And even if it happens to be true in some cases, it's not the job of the state to be the kind touch.


This is a straw man of sorts.

Other than possibly cubbies, nobody posting ITT believes that.

It's largely irrelevant when discussing our rights, which is the larger point.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:35 am to
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What we have now is a system that benefits leeches like you. We should close the law schools in this country for the next 30 years because we have more than a sufficiency of you, and let attrition thin your numbers .

You know it takes lawyers to prosecute the cases too, right?

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Here's a novel idea, you give them a fair trial

You want to gut PDO offices and then claim you're giving them a fair trial?

Also, as stated earlier, trying all of these cases would require MORE money and MORE lawyers. And there still wouldn't likely be enough time to prosecute them all before a ton of cases were dismissed for lack of prosecution.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:35 am to
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You have to define "liberal ideology" to make that definition work. You're just engaging in a tautology here to avoid responding relevantly.



This is such gold coming from of all ppl
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20205 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:36 am to
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Yes if we become a totalitarian regime that ignores our basic rights, we can make our low crime rate even lower.


Says the pussy that believed “if it saves just one life…..” Go frick yourself you gigantic piece of shite.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:37 am to
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Says the pussy that believed “if it saves just one life


You have the wrong guy.

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Go frick yourself you gigantic piece of shite.


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