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re: We Have Created a Pre-Soviet Culture in the United States

Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:46 pm to
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First, you create the void.


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So, we have a void?

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If you don’t believe this hollowing out is proceeding ever quicker, you’re delusional.


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It's not.




The Atlantic: Three Decades Ago, America Lost Its Religion. Why?
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Although belief in God is no panacea for these problems, religion is more than a theism. It is a bundle: a theory of the world, a community, a social identity, a means of finding peace and purpose, and a weekly routine. Those, like me, who have largely rejected this package deal, often find themselves shopping à la carte for meaning, community, and routine to fill a faith-shaped void. Their politics is a religion. Their work is a religion. Their spin class is a church. And not looking at their phone for several consecutive hours is a Sabbath.
This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39854 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:47 pm to
"Religiously unaffiliated" is nowhere near the same thing as "atheist".
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14682 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:48 pm to
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It was a cancer planted in the Western superorganism for which there is no cure without killing the patient.


Disagree there. I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where it mandates that those who do not believe in this form of government and it's economic system must be allowed to participate. We are dealing with people who endeavor to destroy this country and it's founding documents and principles. We are at war. When you're at war, you don't allow those who want the other side to win, on your team.

I know it sounds elementary, and hyperbolic, but we are quickly coming to a point where we are going to have to decide if we want to keep our country or not. If we want to keep it, something must be done about those who want it destroyed. We have an enemy within.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:55 pm to
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Russia is becoming the Christian land America once was.


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, leading to the state sponsored pressures that will ultimately take away our individual freedoms and liberties.



Do you consider Russia a land of freedom and individual liberties? Using current Russia as an example of burgeoning christianity and trying to link christianity to individual freedoms and liberty is maybe one of the most tin eared letter/editorial/whatever this crap is I've read on this site. Do some fricking homework.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 3:05 pm to
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We American’s are witnessing a progressive extinction of our traditional public and educational institutions, watching to our horror, traditional values replaced with all manner of perversion. Our once proud institutions are now becoming corrupt, just as violence, decadence, and insanity are increasing


Is this really the fault of progressivism or simply the end result of modernization and rule by secular Constitutional government instead of a pseudo-theocratic one?

Throughout history, even before the rise of the Christianity, there has always been a fear of that new ideologies and different lifestyles will cause a societal corruption. Most of these fears are perpetuated by those who could lose power in whatever hierarchical structure their society has put in place. You don't think the ancient Romans were exactly Christ-like, do you?

I modern times, people are simply acting out in the way they always wanted too. Without societal shaming, we see a rise in recreational drug and single motherhood. That's because, as harsh as it sounds, that's what people wanted to do anyway outside of Christian law. Sleep with whoever you want and consume whatever you want.

The issue with the United States is that if you are a strict constructionist, then none of those things are inherently wrong. We have the freedom to do whatever we want provided it doesn't hurt anyone or their property.
Posted by MacDaddy00769420
Member since Feb 2020
5 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 3:58 pm to
Cold War propaganda gas given so many Americans brain rot.
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 4:40 pm to
I don't think this is a good analogy.

The Russians had lost 1.7 million men in a war, the country was starving as a result of the war, it's population were mostly agrarian living only fifty years since the abolition of serfdom, and the population of urban dwellers were only a generation removed from the farm.

The Bolsheviks had a simple slogan "Peace, Land, and Bread"

There was obviously a secularization among the Communists and Socialists, but many Russians remained devoutly religious despite massive efforts after the Revolution to eradicate the Church. In fact, the Communists would have to settle on co-opting it and infiltrating it with their own agents.

In fact I think many Russians were duped by the Communists because of their Messianic Christian nature.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167350 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 4:46 pm to
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<- this guy talks quite a bit about it.

Yuri Bezmenov, for any of the curious.
so how do we educate Bernbot supporters about demoralization?
Posted by Tiger Roux
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
5024 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 4:51 pm to
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

John Adams.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109244 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 4:52 pm to
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The 50+ million people that Stalin killed would warn the same.


Progress is bound to involve some collateral damage.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
26292 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 5:13 pm to
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so how do we educate Bernbot supporters about demoralization?


Feature.

Not a bug.
Posted by vol-boy
Dixie
Member since Feb 2012
1382 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 5:13 pm to
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What an absurd claim. If there is a problem in the US, it's that there isn't ENOUGH atheism.


Yesiree, things sure have always turned out dandy where only atheists run things and man makes all the rules.
Posted by Huge Richard
Member since Dec 2018
4550 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 5:27 pm to
Are you the guy outside the bar who tells us we are going to hell?
Posted by badlands
Member since Apr 2008
2313 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 6:26 pm to
The current Pope is a bad person. He isn't promoting the Catholic faith and seems to be tied into the broader agenda. So religion has sort of lost its ability to attract people that would otherwise want to be guided by it.
Posted by corneredbeast
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 7:05 pm to
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It was a cancer planted in the Western superorganism for which there is no cure without killing the patient.


We don't have to kill the patient. We can cut out the tumor then utilize some chemotherapy, to insure the cancer doesn't return.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 7:08 pm to
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However, there is clearly no push in the US to have atheism be some sort of official edict of the state. This is apples to oranges.



If you use the same metrics the "wall of separation" crowd uses, the government has established atheism as the national religion.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7056 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 7:10 pm to
You realize the fastest growing population in Russia are those who are Muslim?

They are 12% of the population and growing.

The churches have lost much influence since Bolvshevik revolution.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 7:10 pm to
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I modern times, people are simply acting out in the way they always wanted too. Without societal shaming, we see a rise in recreational drug and single motherhood. That's because, as harsh as it sounds, that's what people wanted to do anyway outside of Christian law. Sleep with whoever you want and consume whatever you want.

The issue with the United States is that if you are a strict constructionist, then none of those things are inherently wrong.


I think you meant to say "none of those things should be inherently illegal", and I'd agree.

However, if you're a strict constructionist, you wouldn't be subsidizing those piss-porr choices. We subsidize them. And if you subsidize something, you get more of that something.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
26292 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 7:39 pm to
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"Religiously unaffiliated" is nowhere near the same thing as "atheist".

Identical? No.

Close enough for this illustration? Absolutely. Saying it’s “nowhere near” just makes you look foolish.

Mine is pretty much the same point the Atlantic article was making, and he puts himself in that group.
Posted by Huge Richard
Member since Dec 2018
4550 posts
Posted on 2/24/20 at 7:49 pm to
So poor people wouldn’t be poor if they were more Christian? Verrrrry interesting.
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