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We don't know how many people died FROM Covid, therefore can't know Vax effectiveness
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:39 am
1- Do we know the actual death count FROM Covid?
No. We do not. Every state in the USA counted all deaths as FROM covid if they tested positive.
2- What does that mean? Is there a difference?
What that means is that a death could have been from a car accident, but if they test you and you tested positive, the death was labeled as a Covid death.
3- Is there a difference between dying with covid and from covid?
Really? You don't know the answer to that?
4- How do you know that they lumped them all together?
Because they told the public they did. LINK
As you can see and hear in the video, a person could have been given 2 weeks to live, but if they test and covid is present... it's a covid death.
Because we do not know the starting number, you can not know how effective the vaccine actually is.
Even in the CDC guide on reporting they state this:
CDC PDF.....
Now you can see that the CDC says even if you don't detect covid, if you think it could be..... write it down... another covid death.
No. We do not. Every state in the USA counted all deaths as FROM covid if they tested positive.
2- What does that mean? Is there a difference?
What that means is that a death could have been from a car accident, but if they test you and you tested positive, the death was labeled as a Covid death.
3- Is there a difference between dying with covid and from covid?
Really? You don't know the answer to that?
4- How do you know that they lumped them all together?
Because they told the public they did. LINK
As you can see and hear in the video, a person could have been given 2 weeks to live, but if they test and covid is present... it's a covid death.
Because we do not know the starting number, you can not know how effective the vaccine actually is.
Even in the CDC guide on reporting they state this:
quote:
In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot
be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances
are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it
is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate...
Ideally, testing for COVID–19 should be conducted, but it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death
certificate without this confirmation
CDC PDF.....
Now you can see that the CDC says even if you don't detect covid, if you think it could be..... write it down... another covid death.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:40 am to Jjdoc
The scared sheep can not digest these truths...
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:42 am to Jjdoc
...and if they used a PCR test to get a positive covid result which we know are bullshite... covid death.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:43 am to Jjdoc
It's actually a brilliant plan with seemingly no defense.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:45 am to musick
If you can not know the factual numbers, how can your numbers on the vaccine effectiveness be accurate?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:47 am to Jjdoc
That dude that Rittenhouse shot last year definitely died from covid.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:47 am to Jjdoc
Nothing, I repeat NOTHING regarding ANY data involving COVID-19 is accurate.
My stance lately has been to somehow wrestle the raw COVID-19 data and Vax data with FOIA.
Because "real data" is whatever the agenda wants and the media regurgitates. Regardless of merit.
My stance lately has been to somehow wrestle the raw COVID-19 data and Vax data with FOIA.
quote:
If you can not know the factual numbers, how can your numbers on the vaccine effectiveness be accurate?
Because "real data" is whatever the agenda wants and the media regurgitates. Regardless of merit.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:47 am to Jjdoc
So the risks of dying from COVID are even lower than we first thought which was very low to begin with.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:51 am to GumboPot
quote:
So the risks of dying from COVID are even lower than we first thought which was very low to begin with.
Yes.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:52 am to Jjdoc
quote:
Do we know the actual death count FROM Covid?
I thought you could easily use excess deaths over a 5-year average to work the actual death count.
The US has an an excess of 721,000 deaths since the pandemic started compared with the expected average. Some of which you could argue is non-pandemic-related or lockdown-related but it is far from the majority.
LINK
Therefore, using excess deaths, the rest of your points seem rather less impactful or correct considering it's calculating the *excess* number of deaths.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:52 am to Jjdoc
The CDC recently stated that something like 2.6% of overall deaths attributed to CoviD have causes on the death certificates that cannot reasonably be contributed to CoviD.
The numbers get worse the younger you get, with 30% of the pediatric deaths counted as having causes that should not be contributed to CoviD.
The numbers get worse the younger you get, with 30% of the pediatric deaths counted as having causes that should not be contributed to CoviD.
quote:
A small proportion (9,638; 2.5%) of death certificates had co-occurring diagnosis codes that could not be plausibly categorized as either a chain-of-event or significant contributing condition. This finding was more frequent among decedents aged <18 years (64; 35.2%) and 18–29 years (145; 10.2%); these age groups represented only 0.4% (1,608) of all death certificates.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:57 am to darkmatter134
quote:
I thought you could easily use excess deaths over a 5-year average to work the actual death count. The US has an an excess of 721,000 deaths since the pandemic started compared with the expected average. Some of which you could argue is non-pandemic-related or lockdown-related but it is far from the majority. LINK Therefore, using excess deaths, the rest of your points seem rather less impactful or correct considering it's calculating the *excess* number of deaths.
So, just assume any excess deaths are from the virus nobody can identify?
Why not just blame it on the Grim Reaper?
Hospitals and doctors offices were being closed off i.e.normal care was going to the curb. Ambulances were going all over around my rural home and it was from covid. It was from old people not getting routine care.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:00 pm to darkmatter134
This was updated to include Dec 2020
CDC DATA :
Total U.S. DEATHS ( ALL CAUSES ) :
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630 : Increase - 86,212 - 3.28%
2016 : 2,744,248 : Increase - 31,618 - 1.16%
2017 : 2,813,503 : Increase - 69,255 - 2.52%
2018 : 2,839,206 : Increase - 25,703 - 1%
2019: 2,855,000 : Increase - 15,794- 0.55%
2020: 2,913,144 : Increase - 58,144 - 2%
CDC DATA :
Total U.S. DEATHS ( ALL CAUSES ) :
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630 : Increase - 86,212 - 3.28%
2016 : 2,744,248 : Increase - 31,618 - 1.16%
2017 : 2,813,503 : Increase - 69,255 - 2.52%
2018 : 2,839,206 : Increase - 25,703 - 1%
2019: 2,855,000 : Increase - 15,794- 0.55%
2020: 2,913,144 : Increase - 58,144 - 2%
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:02 pm to Jjdoc
And given the widely disparate outcomes even among people of the same age group, how can "they" claim any particular effectiveness per person? You can glean a rough estimate over time (longer than a few months), but when they came out with 95% immediately upon authorization, I just shook my head. Literally no way to make that claim legitimately with this disease.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:24 pm to McLemore
quote:
And given the widely disparate outcomes even among people of the same age group, how can "they" claim any particular effectiveness per person? You can glean a rough estimate over time (longer than a few months), but when they came out with 95% immediately upon authorization, I just shook my head. Literally no way to make that claim legitimately with this disease.
That's not how they calculate efficacy.
Say you have 20,000 people in one vaccinated group and 20,000 people in one unvaccinated group.
If 20 people in the unvaccinated group get COVID and 1 person in the vaccinated group gets COVID, the vaccine has an efficacy of 95%.
It doesn't mean 95% of people won't get COVID if a vaccinated group was infected. It means that they're 95% *less likely* to get it.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:16 pm to Jjdoc
quote:
2020: 2,913,144 : Increase - 58,144 - 2%
With zero cases of flu, and zero flu deaths.
Annual flu deaths have been as high as 60,000/year in the past.
And now we have 58,144 excess deaths. But NO FLU.
It's the fricking the flu!
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:18 pm to smh4wg
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:20 pm to darkmatter134
quote:
The US has an an excess of 721,000 deaths since the pandemic started compared with the expected average.
The CDC has yet to provide the official death count for the year of 2020, it’s all still “provisional” so I immediately smell bullshite
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:27 pm to darkmatter134
That wasn't the claim though (the one I'm talking about) . It was about preventing "serious illness," not positive tests (which of course has its own issues but that's for another day).
Example of what I mean by the folly of the precise claims regarding serious illness.
XiNN
Example of what I mean by the folly of the precise claims regarding serious illness.
XiNN
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:16 pm to darkmatter134
quote:
I thought you could easily use excess deaths over a 5-year average to work the actual death count.
quote:
The US has an an excess of 721,000 deaths since the pandemic started compared with the expected average. Some of which you could argue is non-pandemic-related or lockdown-related but it is far from the majority.
Excess deaths as a standalone measurement is useless when the age/size of population isn't fixed. When you have more people in the 70+ age range, more people are going to die.
It's been a few months since I looked it up, but I doubt that it has changed significantly -- the average age of death with covid was almost exactly the average age of death in general. Meaning, proportionately, about the same number of people were dying because of being sick as normally do.
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