re: We don't know how many people died FROM Covid, therefore can't know Vax effectiveness

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Look man, they were not testing car crash victims for covid. Don't be stupid.

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I'm sorry but they did.

and a motorcycle crash

You are correct. And don't forget the inaccuracies of the test itself. 80% false positives, it cant distinguish between flu/cold/covid19.

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however there is no compelling evidence that there was a material overcounting. It's always clowns talking about car crashes and similar stuff.

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The murder/suicide in Colorado are my favorite Covid deaths. Clownish, sure - but only because the whole shitshow is absurd.

More absurdity - assuming they didn’t make a special case because of its visibility and how troubling it would be politically, did you know George Floyd was a Covid death? If Minnesota followed the CDC’s rules he absolutely would have been.

But those are the ones for entertainment. There are far more heart attack, cancer, dementia, and drug related deaths that were “with Covid” rather than because. By the way, the CDC itself reports that over 10K “Covid deaths” involve accidents, homicides, suicides, and poisoning or drug overdoses. But I suppose that’s not compelling.

Here’s the thing about the Covid death scoreboard if you want to address more than the crazy XX thousands of deaths that are clearly not Covid but counted on the scoreboard. Let’s use an example - of a 60 yo man that carries 310 lbs on his 6’ frame, is diabetic and a smoker, and has had three heart attacks in the last five years. So this guy gets the virus, and the virus is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and the dude dies when he suffers his fourth heart attack. How accurate is it to say he died of Covid? How accurate is it to say he died because he was 100 lbs overweight, a diabetic, a smoker and has had three heart attacks? Both statements are true to some degree, because Covid definitely made a guy near death even weaker. But if you had to assign cause as some sort of percentage, wouldn’t it be logical to say it was something like 90/10 or 80/20, with Covid the 10 or 20? Because the guy ain’t dying with Covid if he’s a healthy 60 yo, and because he was a 60 yo with one foot already in the grave, if it wasn’t Covid it would have been something else that took him in all likelihood inside of a few years.

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In the early days of the pandemic we did not even have enough tests to use for the obvious covid patients much less to go around testing cancer patients.

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Fun fact - you don’t need a positive test to label a death Covid. You only need two of about 15 symptoms to be noted by a doctor or somewhere in the death record. In fact, the death certificate matching process took determining cause of death out of the hands of doctors and MEs, and put it in the hands of state health bureaucrats who combed through the records and found reference to positive tests or two symptoms and re-assigned cause of death. Get that? A doctor could not mention Covid in his/her cause of death, and that could be changed by someone that never examined or treated the decedent.