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re: We and Britain failed Hong Kong
Posted on 6/5/21 at 7:01 pm to DesScorp
Posted on 6/5/21 at 7:01 pm to DesScorp
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There are complaints that the Hong Kong exiles are all landlords in London now. They’re not very well liked.
So they are business owners who aren't liked by the liberal trash that inhabits London?
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We really need to get over this notion that the rest of the world will see “muh freedom” the same way we do.
It sounds like they would fit in well here and see "muh freedom" EXACTLY as I do. #StopAsianHate
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 7:03 pm
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Posted on 6/5/21 at 8:33 pm to Adam Banks
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The only lease to expire was the new territories.
True. And while Britain could have held onto Hong Kong Island & Kowloon after the lease on the New Territories expired in 1997, they would have been difficult to defend militarily & city would have been cut off from its hinterlands.
So Margaret Thatcher offered Deng Xiaoping a deal: Britain would hand over the entire territory - including HK Island & Kowloon - & in exchange Communist China would allow it internal self-government & respect Hong Kong residents' liberties for 50 years. "One country, two systems" became the mantra. This last provision is where China obviously has reneged on the deal.
I suppose that back in 1984 Thatcher could have derecognized the Communist government & recognized the Nationalist government on Taiwan as the legitimate government of all of China, but by that time that ship had sailed - almost the entire world, including the UK & the US, had by then switched their diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. Such a move would have left Britain diplomatically isolated & might have even provoked a war.
It's lamentable the state of liberty in Hong Kong nowadays. But what, precisely, should the USA do about it?
Posted on 6/5/21 at 8:41 pm to OMLandshark
Britain is a third rate insignificant power. It can't do anything about Hong Kong. The Chinese could wipe out Britain in an afternoon. The Royal Navy isn't capable of taking on the Iranians, much less the best Navy in the world.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 8:41 pm to OMLandshark
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We and Britain failed Hong Kong
America's responsibility is to its own citizens, not to people on the other side of the world. We have too many problems here to give a shite about what rights and freedoms people have in a city that has never been a part of the United States.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 8:43 pm to Confederate Brass
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Yes our “leaders” allowed freedom to die in Hong Kong
They are allowing the same in the USA.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 12:07 am to V Bainbridge
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Really we failed ourselves by not taking in a large number of freedom loving, commie hating, highly educated *people of color* who believe in family values.
Why do we assume they'd want to leave their home and come here ? This is Britain's problem, not ours. Sure, bring in those who wish to come here, but that's not a solution to the problem. It's a feel good band aid, at most.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 7:13 am to Confederate Brass
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Yes our “leaders” allowed freedom to die in Hong Kong and it’s beyond incomprehensible.
But knowing Biden and dozens of high ranking Bureaucrats are sleeping with Chyna it’s not surprising.
It’s time we realize that our “leaders” don’t se China as an enemy, they see China as the model government they want here.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 7:15 am to SCLibertarian
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America's responsibility is to its own citizens, not to people on the other side of the world. We have too many problems here to give a shite about what rights and freedoms people have in a city that has never been a part of the United States.
I think I would rephrase op's sentiment as Britain failed the world by giving Hong Kong to the communists.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 7:24 am to OMLandshark
What changed this year? Hmmmm
This post was edited on 6/6/21 at 7:27 am
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:02 am to OMLandshark
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Both Americans and Brits should be ashamed for allowing this to happen.
Wrong. We bear zero responsibility for anything that has ever happened in Hong Kong.
GTFO with trying to make that our responsibility somehow.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:46 am to OMLandshark
It belongs to China. Treaty signed a few decades ago
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:54 am to Turbeauxdog
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Britain failed the world by giving Hong Kong to the communists.
Britain had zero choice. 80% of the territory was owed back to China by treaty, and the island itself was indefensible. If they didn’t give it back, China would have simply taken it, probably without firing a shot.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:19 am to DesScorp
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I was IN Hong Kong in the late 80's. Twice. And both times, they were eagerly ramping up for the 1997 turnover. There was what we would now call a Meme concerning a Chinaman in a traditional straw hat painting over the Union Jack with the flag of Communist China. The talk was all over about how they just couldn't wait to get the GwaiLo out and reunite with the motherland.
Well, they got it.
Had a professor in college that lived in Hong Kong from 91-95. He pretty much told us what you typed out here.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:27 am to OMLandshark
What exactly were "we" gonna do about this?
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:57 am to OMLandshark
I don't see it as a US/UK failure. I see it as CCP taking over with an iron fist, and destroying a once amazing city where democracy used to flourish.
UK held up their end of the bargain with honor, treated the city and citizens well, created massive prosperity, then China comes in and destroys it all, while the world watches.
UK held up their end of the bargain with honor, treated the city and citizens well, created massive prosperity, then China comes in and destroys it all, while the world watches.
This post was edited on 6/6/21 at 11:05 am
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