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re: We and Britain failed Hong Kong
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:07 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:07 pm to OMLandshark
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You sure about that? Both countries are now upping their nuclear armaments. That’s a disturbing sign.
A Cold War, with the oddity of commercial entanglements.
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Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:10 pm to cwill
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It would require us doing what no one wants our country to do anymore...foreign aid, foreign intervention. As we pull back China fills the void. See Africa.
Yeah, I know which why Xi Jinping is presenting himself as Annatar the Lord of Gifts when he’s actually Sauron the Lord of the Rings. They’re forging it as we speak with the Belt and Road Initiative.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:13 pm to Lima Whiskey
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It was impossible to defend.
The British are weak as frick. Argentina would probably frick them up on a second go round.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:13 pm to OMLandshark
We failed the people of Hong Kong by not offering them citizenship here. I'm pretty sure the Brits offered them asylum at least. There wasn't much more to be done about it without starting a world war and us offering them citizenship would have pushed us toward that war also.
It wasn't a secret that this was going to happen. The lease was for 100 years and the Brits gave it back when it was up. The people of Hong Kong were fools if they believed China wouldn't crack down on freedoms once they got it back.
It wasn't a secret that this was going to happen. The lease was for 100 years and the Brits gave it back when it was up. The people of Hong Kong were fools if they believed China wouldn't crack down on freedoms once they got it back.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:14 pm to Zach
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The treaty said China gets Hong Kong in 100 years. Time goes by fast.
This line gets parroted but its not actually true. The lease was on the expansion of territory after the second opium war. Hong Kong island which is the center of commerce was ceded in perpetuity after the first opium war.
The only lease to expire was the new territories.
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:23 pm to trinidadtiger
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In the words of the last Moors in Spain....dont cry like a child for something you could not defend like a man.
I love that line.
Aixa must have been a tough and ruthless woman. I love that she had zero sympathy for her son.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:24 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, I know which why Xi Jinping is presenting himself as Annatar the Lord of Gifts when he’s actually Sauron the Lord of the Rings. They’re forging it as we speak with the Belt and Road Initiative.
You read this board, you’re aware of the political climate in this country after 20 years of the war on terror. Our political will to do what you’d actually have to do to counter China internationally is just not there...and if we really pull back in Europe out of nato, who might they turn to as a counter weight to Russia?
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:29 pm to OMLandshark
How did WE fail them?
* I see a couple of snowflakes chose not to answer my question.
HK wasn’t our territory.
* I see a couple of snowflakes chose not to answer my question.
HK wasn’t our territory.
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:30 pm to BuckyCheese
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The British are weak as frick. Argentina would probably frick them up on a second go round.
I have no idea what the Argentinian forces look like now. But the Royal Navy absolutely would not be able to fight that war today, with the forces they have.
Generations of budget cuts, and then, finally, Cameron’s austerity, destroyed them.
The Royal Navy did some tour for the world cruise recently, to show the flag. They had to partner with other European navies to pull it off. They just didn’t have enough ships to operate independently.
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:32 pm to udtiger
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It's no accident CCP dropped the hammer almost as soon as Trump was out of office.
It's no irony the another Conservative hero Margaret Thatcher negotiated the Handover & was present in Hong Kong for the event in 1997. Chinese President Deng Xiaoping told Thatcher China really didn't need to negotiate & " China could take Hong Kong in 1 day" . Thatcher agreed. Hong Kong isn't the Falkands & the British forced " lease" is over.
All totalitarian regimes eventually collapse & so shall the CCP.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:37 pm to OMLandshark
We didn’t allow it. We have actively aided the Chinese.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:59 pm to Adam Banks
quote:First person I've seen defending these " leases" . I'm sure the British threatened to not ransack/ burn down the Imperial Summer Palace again if they signed the " lease" . Not even Thatcher could seriously defend these mafia like " leases".
The lease was on the expansion of territory after the second opium war. Hong Kong island which is the center of commerce was ceded in perpetuity after the first opium war.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:08 pm to sugar71
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First person I've seen defending these " leases" . I'm sure the British threatened to not ransack/ burn down the Imperial Summer Palace again if they signed the " lease" . Not even Thatcher could seriously defend these mafia like " leases".
They fought a war. Two of them in fact.
Britain won both wars.
People say Hong Kong was due back in 99 years.
Thats not true. The new territories were due back.
Its not a defense its just historical fact.
As for a defense, Id look at the people of Hong Kong and their desires last year until forcibly shut down as my opening and closing defense of the Brits.
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:10 pm to OMLandshark
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We and Britain failed Hong Kong
"We" didn't fail jack shite. Stop right there.
I was IN Hong Kong in the late 80's. Twice. And both times, they were eagerly ramping up for the 1997 turnover. There was what we would now call a Meme concerning a Chinaman in a traditional straw hat painting over the Union Jack with the flag of Communist China. The talk was all over about how they just couldn't wait to get the GwaiLo out and reunite with the motherland.
Well, they got it.
And now they've discovered that what made HK so unique (and such a nice place to live and work) was British rule. Everyone that wasn't a flat out idiot knew that Beijing was never really going to honor "one country, two systems".
Honk Kong will continue to be squeezed, and the financial institutions will eventually be removed to Shanghai, the preferred financial center of the Chinese government.
They wanted the full embrace of China? They got it. And everything that comes with it. Hong Kong should be left to its fate. "You asked for this. Now YOU deal with the consequences".
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:13 pm to DesScorp
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They wanted the full embrace of China? They got it. And everything that comes with it. Hong Kong should be left to its fate. "You asked for this. Now YOU deal with the consequences".
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:15 pm to sugar71
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All totalitarian regimes eventually collapse & so shall the CCP.
most go up in Supernova though. forgive those of us who don’t want more American boys being killed for someone else
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:17 pm to AURaptor
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How did WE fail them?
Really we failed ourselves by not taking in a large number of freedom loving, commie hating, highly educated *people of color* who believe in family values.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:45 pm to V Bainbridge
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Really we failed ourselves by not taking in a large number of freedom loving, commie hating, highly educated *people of color* who believe in family values.
Britain tried this. There are complaints that the Hong Kong exiles are all landlords in London now. They’re not very well liked.
We really need to get over this notion that the rest of the world will see “muh freedom” the same way we do.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:46 pm to OMLandshark
Great example of why we shouldn't trust academics to shape foreign policy.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:59 pm to OMLandshark
It was and remains none of our business.
This idea that we "failed" Hong Kong is preposterous. I guess you think we "failed" Cambodia and let the Khmer Rouge run rough shod too?
This idea that we "failed" Hong Kong is preposterous. I guess you think we "failed" Cambodia and let the Khmer Rouge run rough shod too?
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 7:00 pm
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