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re: Was the DDT scare of the 1960s junk science and fake news?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:00 am to GnashRebel
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:00 am to GnashRebel
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Allegedly the ban on killing them had the numbers recovering prior to the ddt ban
When were people hunting bald eagles? Was there a season? Did you need something akin to a duck stamp to take one? What was the daily bag limit?
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:02 am to nealnan8
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Everything that I have read about DDT's affects on bird populations seem to be true.
Did you read it in “Silent Spring?”
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:09 am to Y.A. Tittle
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When were people hunting bald eagles? Was there a season?
In Alaska they offered money for killing bald eagles at one time.
Competing with salmon, and salmon is sacred here.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
Interesting. Is that how we got them back in Louisiana, though?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:22 am to TrueTiger
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The credibility of 'science' has been blown to smithereens. The public is wary and 'follow the money' seems to explain a lot of the claims today's science makes. So why not take a look at forgotten claims that have been around for 60+ years and see if they still hold up?
Much of modern American discourse boils down to the fact that half of Americans believe “science” and current messaging from the government and media is based on corrupted individuals using pseudo science to achieve profits and political agendas and the other half sees science as established fact.
I think the truth is somewhere in between but once you realize that you’ve been blatantly lied to by the government on one front it’s easy to start to question other narratives
I mean just take the food pyramid. If they were interested in improving health, reducing obesity and maximizing life expectancy the existing food pyramid would’ve never seen the light of day. I challenge anyone to show me outcome data that supports a diet of carbs being 2x vegetables and 3x lean protein improving any of the factors I mentioned yet that’s what the health experts in the government tell us to do.
It’s not that they are mistaken, it’s that they are providing intentionally false and grossly irresponsible guidance that leads to generations of poor health outcomes.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Likely true. And I stand by my prediction that "climate change" cures will kill more than actual "climate change" will.
There’s likely nothing else that’s come close to killing as many people in the past 50-60 years as the eradication of DDT usage.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:42 am to Taxing Authority
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And I stand by my prediction that "climate change" cures will kill more than actual "climate change" will.
Hell, I don’t even know if that counts as a “bold prediction.” I wouldn’t be surprised if this was already determinable.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:44 am to TrueTiger
Always has been.
Silent Spring was the climate scam of the 60’s.
Silent Spring was the climate scam of the 60’s.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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HAINES, Alaska — Hunters here used to shoot bald eagles for a bounty of $2 each, and local emotion still ran against the national symbol four years ago, when the state designated an eagle sanctuary on logging and mining land.
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In Ak they killed over 120k bald eagles with a $2 bounty per head.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Population control
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Consistent with my recollection.
From what I recall (and this is not something I've looked at for probably 10 years),
1. The allegations claiming issues for humans were debunked.
2. The allegations around the birds (it may have been a particular bird) and their eggshells were not debunked.
Years ago, I used an expert in a chemical spill case who did a lot of the work on the DDT studies regarding eagle eggs. Fascinating stuff. Basically, it made the eggshells so brittle that they shattered with the mother bird nested on them.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:51 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
My town had a vehicle-mounted sprayer than ran up and down every street every night, basically coating the town in a cloud of DDT smoke. Kids would chase the thing down the street, playing in the smoke, and we didn't have an epidemic of two-headed kids a generation later.
It killed mosquitos. I didn't seem to hurt people. But it was exterminating our national symbol.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:53 am to TrueTiger
The Patent had expired and the original manufacturer was not making as much since anyone could make it.
Paid the green movement to raise a flag, so like global warming, they fed the public with bogus data.
Infertile eggs, egg shells are to thin, due to DDT. so they break easily.
The first EPA Secretary stated, there is no evidence that DDT harms Man, Birds, or Fish, but we are going to ban it. That was entered into the Congressional Record.
Nothing has changed. Money talks.
Paid the green movement to raise a flag, so like global warming, they fed the public with bogus data.
Infertile eggs, egg shells are to thin, due to DDT. so they break easily.
The first EPA Secretary stated, there is no evidence that DDT harms Man, Birds, or Fish, but we are going to ban it. That was entered into the Congressional Record.
Nothing has changed. Money talks.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:04 am to Y.A. Tittle
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When were people hunting bald eagles? Was there a season? Did you need something akin to a duck stamp to take one? What was the daily bag limit?
When I was a young lad, most folks lived in rural areas. Any predator bird, hawks, eagles were shot if possible. They killed our chickens and other farm birds. Life was tough so there was a continual effort to kill predators.
About the time DDT was eliminated, folks started moving to town, industry was growing, standard of living improved. Didn't need to kill predators, we then bought our chicken from the supermarkets.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:25 am to TrueTiger
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I did see a cite to a study that suggested something other than DDT.
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There is another possibly confounding issue as well. In 1998, Royal Society for the Protection of Birds researcher Rhys Green published a study in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B which found that eggshell thinning of some bird species had begun 50 years before the introduction of DDT.
And how did they explain that it all got better right after we stopped using DDT?
There will never be a more obvious cause and effect environmental situation than DDT. If you can’t accept that you are an unredeemable conspiracist.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:25 am to AggieHank86
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It killed mosquitos. I didn't seem to hurt people. But it was exterminating our national symbol.
I like to hunt pheasants.
I’ve seen pictures from previous generations of pheasant populations that were 10-15x what I grew up with.
What happened over a 20-30 year period to the pheasant in the eastern US I can’t say exactly but it wasn’t over hunting.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:28 am to AggieHank86
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it made the eggshells so brittle that they shattered with the mother bird nested on them.
You, can jimmy the experiment to get the results you desire.
Do you believe that?
Mount a thermometer close to concrete and the average temp will rise.
Remove calcium from a birds diet and their egg shells will get thinner. That is why laying houses add crushed oyster shells to the hen's diet.
Back in the day, I read that a different group ran some experiments, added DDT to the chicken's diet, and the eggs became more fertile.
Follow the money!
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:22 pm to TrueTiger
Yes, and no.
It was having some detrimental effects.
However, the benefits overwhelmingly outweighed the risks.
It was having some detrimental effects.
However, the benefits overwhelmingly outweighed the risks.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 3:30 pm to TrueTiger
I don't know, but the Bald Eagle population was nearly driven extinct by something.
I always heard it as the DDT that made their egg shells too thin.
Could all be BS, but now we have those magnificent birds from point to point and the wild Turkey population is on fire. I have a mama Turkey and her chic showing up in my yard a daily. Cool stuff. I never saw wild Turkey's in my area 30 years ago.
I always heard it as the DDT that made their egg shells too thin.
Could all be BS, but now we have those magnificent birds from point to point and the wild Turkey population is on fire. I have a mama Turkey and her chic showing up in my yard a daily. Cool stuff. I never saw wild Turkey's in my area 30 years ago.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 3:52 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Brown pelicans had a large die off in the 1950's. Did not hardly see any until the 1975 period. Blamed on brittle eggs
DDT is by far the best pesticide for bed bugs. While illegal to sell there are lots of sources to chemistry in your home laboratory.
Acid rain is a killer of moss, and no doubt the rapid industrialization in the 1940-1970 period put up a bunch of acid gas before environmental concerns were apparent
prohibiting the use of DDT for malaria controll has killed a lot of third world people
DDT is by far the best pesticide for bed bugs. While illegal to sell there are lots of sources to chemistry in your home laboratory.
Acid rain is a killer of moss, and no doubt the rapid industrialization in the 1940-1970 period put up a bunch of acid gas before environmental concerns were apparent
prohibiting the use of DDT for malaria controll has killed a lot of third world people
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