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re: War Room guest Steve Cortes says AI is beginning to negatively affect employment in US
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:05 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:05 pm to Bass Tiger
A lot of these companies are over playing their hand. This happened when cloud computing became mainstream. They think it will clear entire departments with all the efficiency. It won't.
AI will see a bigger boomerang because of the security concerns permeating through corporate America right now.
AI will see a bigger boomerang because of the security concerns permeating through corporate America right now.
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:06 pm to SallysHuman
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I do hope you're tongue in cheek.
I wish.
We are entering an era where:
Humans will no longer be the most intelligent agents on Earth.
Humans will cease to make key decisions.
Human labor and creativity will no longer dominate economies.
The only debate is how long it's going to take not whether or not it will happen and the implications are frightening.
That horse is out of the barn and it cannot be stopped minus what I mentioned in my earlier post.
Our laws and leaders absolutely move too slow to save us and the competition between companies in this field mean there is absolutely no slowing it down. On the contrary, it's going to be accelerated.
The AI will move beyond the ability of humans to control. This is going to happen and no one can tell you what that means and that in itself is frightening.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:07 pm to Narax
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AI is making the best people amazingly more productive, it allows us to take a task we would farm out to a junior engineer and feed it into our corporate LLM, and continue in 5 minutes.
Things that would have taken me 6 months now take 2 weeks since I don't need to rely on as many people.
This is what I envision. The cream of the crop software engineers who truly understand the deepest understanding of software development will be relevant for awhile, those who are currently doing work supporting the real software developers are the first out the door.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:10 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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There will always be "jobs" but AI is going to cut some industries by 80-90% and then what happens?
Industries like Transportation, Finance, Customer Service, etc. are going to be heavily impacted. Can these people move to construction jobs? Sure, but would construction jobs grow if people can't buy what's be constructed?
I'm surprised in 2025 the majority of freight trains are not being operated 100% remotely and autonomous.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:15 pm to Tiger985
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I wish
Fair enough points.
I do appreciate that you're looking at the longer term implications beyond the job market.
Where I'm coming from is that there have been both large and small upheavals in the past and civilization seems to adjust to the changes without everything going to pot.
While I understand this could/will be far different... so were the other upheavals until they happened.
One assumed difference that is worrisome is the general apathy that comes part and parcel with an over digitalized world.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:16 pm to Bass Tiger
What concerns me is that it seems that socialism will be the end result of mass unemployment caused by AI job displacement.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:17 pm to Bass Tiger
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those who are currently doing work supporting the real software developers are the first out the door.
Software has been hot since the 1990s.
A lot of people got degrees in it without ever really getting good at it.
It can be mind numbing boring.
You have problems that just won't be solved. Bugs that defy root causing because something odd happens on the GPU, maybe we ran low on memory? Did another thread or even job have a memory leak?
Whole time, idiots who cant code are asking you when the story will close and why it's 6 weeks late.
And honestly there are always better developers out there, I've met many who's skills put mine to shame.
Often you wind up working in a new language that you aren't great at yet.
Its kind of a tough field to stay in.
So it's not shocking that a lot of CS grads decide after a year or two that they never want to code again... knowing they can still make 6 figures.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:19 pm to oldskule
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Elon was worried about this
Not really.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:21 pm to Taxing Authority
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For example, I pay out $600k in developer expenses, I can only deduct $120k of expenses, and I pay tax on the other $480k as income. Which is ridiculous .
So then you support the OBBA that retroactively eliminates this?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:33 pm to Tiger985
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The AI will move beyond the ability of humans to control. This is going to happen and no one can tell you what that means and that in itself is frightening.
You are assuming that the mathematical models continue to add capabilities.
This is more a religious rant of faith than a cold look at what is possible.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:44 pm to Narax
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Narax
I have no idea if you are MAGA or Commie or JooTard or what but thanks for the contributions in this thread. It is always good to have someone who knows what they are talking about in threads like this.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:46 pm to oldskule
quote:he was so worried that he started his own AI engine...
Elon was worried about this.....this AI will change the world forever!
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:46 pm to SallysHuman
Your not very smart
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:47 pm to Bass Tiger
HR at IBM is almost entirely AI, now
IBM HR via A.I.
IBM HR via A.I.
quote:IBM just let go of though sands of HR employees.
Improve employee experience
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:47 pm to SallysHuman
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I disagree... there will still be jobs, maybe not the same jobs, but work will be available.
So...the same argument Hillary and the Democrats made about shutting down all the coal mines in West Virginia...you can just retrain all those coal miners for other jobs.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:48 pm to ole man
quote:The irony..
Your not very smart
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:50 pm to ole man
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Your not very smart
Oh, the irony in these four simple words...
My differing point of view is what makes this a discussion rather than an echo chamber.
I ain't the smartest poster on the board, but I'm comfortable in the knowledge I'm not the dumbest. Thank you for that!
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:51 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So...the same argument Hillary and the Democrats made about shutting down all the coal mines in West Virginia...you can just retrain all those coal miners for other jobs.
Forced job loss vs technological innovation driven job loss... I might be wrong but I believe there's a bit more nuance than you realize.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:52 pm to Bass Tiger
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I'm surprised in 2025 the majority of freight trains are not being operated 100% remotely and autonomous.
They can barely get simple shite to work right at the railroad. Trust me I used to work there.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:04 pm to Pecos Pedro
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It is always good to have someone who knows what they are talking about in threads like this.
6 years ago I knew next to nothing about AI, but it has exploded in the software industry to the point where I had to get informed on it or leave the field.
On a daily basis I use the LLM for about 8 queries.
The young guys on my team are probably at 30 plus... no idea which is better.
Pretty much everything I work on uses either the output of an AI, or uses an api to a ML application.
Its come on so rapidly it's amazing.
But to that point we have throughly learned the limits of the current generation of AI.
There are some promising new models like Zeroshot, Generative Adversarial, and Mixed Expert Models, but they all currently don't deal well with the out of sequence issues that LLMs struggle with for accuracy in complexity.
Its very hard to see a future where AI becomes sentient. But very easy to see it being an enabled for humans to really be awesome.
Sometimes I'll stand at my whiteboard at home with my phone out and an LLM open.
It becomes so easy to sketch out solutions for work when I have the equivalent of dozens of experts available for me to query.
I really do think the AI assisted future is going to be awesome.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 1:15 pm
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