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WaPo actual article title: It’s time to give the elites a bigger say in choosing the pres

Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:15 am
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:15 am
Link to Townhall piece

quote:

For decades, the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else. Today, that conversation is counterproductive. A better approach is to think about how voters and elites could best play their different roles: to make their political parties more representative while ultimately narrowing the nomination choice down to one person. And the best way to do that would be through preference primaries.

Preference primaries could allow voters to rank their choices among candidates, as well as to register opinions about their issue priorities — like an exit poll, but more formal and with all the voters. The results would be public but not binding; a way to inform elites about voter preferences.

This process could accompany a primary of the sort we’re used to — in which voters’ first choices instruct the delegates, and preferences come into play only if there’s no clear winner. The primaries could also be held in combination with elections for convention delegates so that these representatives are informed by their constituents’ preferences. This would also help voters hold these delegates accountable in the future. The point is to build a way for party elites to understand what their base is thinking, and to allow them to bargain so that these different preferences and priorities can be balanced.


Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5234 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:20 am to
Dear God Trump has broken these people.

They used to keep this shite hidden. Their true beliefs and intentions were never spoken but privately understood.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:25 am to
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The point is to build a way for party elites to understand what their base is thinking

Isn't that the way it was designed to work? It's the so-called elites who have forgotten their bargain with the people.

This should fun to watch as the dems poll the 754 different factions of their party for issues to champion.

This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 11:26 am
Posted by Walkthedawg
Dawg Pound
Member since Oct 2012
11466 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:43 am to
quote:

This process could accompany a primary of the sort we’re used to — in which voters’ first choices instruct the delegates, and preferences come into play only if there’s no clear winner.


Eye Owe Uh

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95743 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:43 am to
I think the worm has turned from 1964 when the media lost their shite about Phyllis Schlafly writing about Rockefeller and the GOP establishment doing this exact thing, calling it a conspiracy theory.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19524 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:45 am to

Whatever they feel best advances the leftist agenda is correct right now. Tomorrow something different might be best to advance that agenda and they'll print a contradictory piece.

Marxism by hook or by crook.
Posted by PickupAutist
Member since Sep 2018
3022 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:50 am to
Democracy dies where again now?
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48375 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:52 am to
The Ruling Class is finally coming out in the open to announce the truth? Interesting times.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17296 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:56 am to
quote:

For decades, the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else. Today, that conversation is counterproductive.
Posted by corneredbeast
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:01 pm to
Oh look, I found a gif of how voters can 'instruct' elites:

Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13610 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

The Ruling Class is finally coming out in the open to announce the truth? Interesting times.
i wonder how the left will square their beef with billionaires and loyalty to the ruling class...

Not that these clowns have an ounce of integrity in their platform
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:28 pm to
I’ve been saying that the Dems’ endgame with respect to primaries is to do away with them and just let the party establishment coronate a nominee at the convention.

Multiple reasons they want this:

1. Voters are too stupid to be entrusted to select the right candidate (see Bernie).

2. Money spent campaigning during primaries could instead be diverted to the general election and attacking GOP nominee.

3. No “circular firing squad” with Dems highlighting/exposing negatives about other Dems, one of whom will ultimately become nominee.

4. Voters with a strong emotional attachment to a losing candidate will be more likely to actually vote in the general election rather than pout and stay home in protest (see Bernie supporters).

5. Perceived increase in likelihood of winning in the general election would (assumedly) lead to more donations from contributors reluctant to donate to a candidate for whom victory is less certain.

This is why they created superdelegates. Negative reaction from base regarding superdelegates led to them scaling back their influence in a year the Dem nominee is unlikely to win regardless of who it is or how well they campaign.

This was a calculated move. In the event of a Trump victory, the party elites can contend that if the voters had nominated (insert name) instead of (insert name), the outcome would have been different.

To prevent this from reoccurring, superdelegate power must be expanded enough to enable them to once again totally override the nominee chosen by voters if voters pick the wrong candidate.

The MSM is already starting to push the narrative. Watch, wait and see.

Barring some major unforeseen circumstances such as assassination of POTUS (God forbid), or some major miscalculation by POTUS (very unlikely), Trump will win and GOP possibly/probably retakes the House.

They’ll blame their own voters for this (disingenuously given they know as well as anyone how hard it is to defeat an incumbent), and sell them on the proposed changes to their nominating process by guilting them into acceptance of the new model.

Assuming Trump wins, this absolutely will happen. Initially they’ll probably have to still have primary elections to allow voters to feel involved, but they won’t mean anything with respect to who the party nominates. The plan is to eliminate them altogether for the reasons stated above.

I expect them to do this incrementally for obvious reasons, but they could surprise me and enact the full agenda by 2024 (instead of using 2024 as a bridge to connect superdelegates being given increased authority to override voters and the total elimination of primaries).
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:31 pm to
I'm pretty sure the article of that is "to much democracy is bad for democracy"
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:43 pm to
Some animals are more equal than others.
Posted by FriscoTxTiger76
Frisco TX
Member since Sep 2016
60 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:52 pm to
I agree. Reading this it sounded a lot like the way the Communist party selects candidates and then the people "vote" for them
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

WaPo actual article title: It’s time to give the elites a bigger say in choosing the pres
Except that is NOT the headline of the WaPo article, which is:
quote:

It’s time to switch to preference primaries
You call them elites. I call them party activists.

Political parties are private organizations. It makes perfect sense for those active IN that organization to have a larger say in selecting the organization’s nominee than some random yahoo who shows up once every four years to vote in a primary.

The premise of the article is as follows:
quote:

A process in which intermediate representatives — elected delegates who understand the priorities of their constituents — can bargain without being bound to specific candidates might actually produce nominees that better reflect what voters want.
If you want a bigger “say,” get more involved.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Bokke
Salt Lake City, UT
Member since Nov 2014
771 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Dear God Trump has broken these people.



Trump? Bernie is breaking them.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

some random yahoo who shows up once every four years to vote in a primary.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16989 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:15 pm to
It appears the party elites need to get more in touch with their base and the people they represent.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
10999 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:17 pm to
Let's summarize that short and sweet:

You little plebs can still vote, but we will handle selecting a nominee since we know best.
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