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WaPo actual article title: It’s time to give the elites a bigger say in choosing the pres
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:15 am
Link to Townhall piece
quote:
For decades, the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else. Today, that conversation is counterproductive. A better approach is to think about how voters and elites could best play their different roles: to make their political parties more representative while ultimately narrowing the nomination choice down to one person. And the best way to do that would be through preference primaries.
Preference primaries could allow voters to rank their choices among candidates, as well as to register opinions about their issue priorities — like an exit poll, but more formal and with all the voters. The results would be public but not binding; a way to inform elites about voter preferences.
This process could accompany a primary of the sort we’re used to — in which voters’ first choices instruct the delegates, and preferences come into play only if there’s no clear winner. The primaries could also be held in combination with elections for convention delegates so that these representatives are informed by their constituents’ preferences. This would also help voters hold these delegates accountable in the future. The point is to build a way for party elites to understand what their base is thinking, and to allow them to bargain so that these different preferences and priorities can be balanced.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:20 am to cokebottleag
Dear God Trump has broken these people.
They used to keep this shite hidden. Their true beliefs and intentions were never spoken but privately understood.
They used to keep this shite hidden. Their true beliefs and intentions were never spoken but privately understood.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:25 am to cokebottleag
quote:
The point is to build a way for party elites to understand what their base is thinking
Isn't that the way it was designed to work? It's the so-called elites who have forgotten their bargain with the people.
This should fun to watch as the dems poll the 754 different factions of their party for issues to champion.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:43 am to cokebottleag
quote:
This process could accompany a primary of the sort we’re used to — in which voters’ first choices instruct the delegates, and preferences come into play only if there’s no clear winner.
Eye Owe Uh
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:43 am to cokebottleag
I think the worm has turned from 1964 when the media lost their shite about Phyllis Schlafly writing about Rockefeller and the GOP establishment doing this exact thing, calling it a conspiracy theory.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:45 am to cokebottleag
Whatever they feel best advances the leftist agenda is correct right now. Tomorrow something different might be best to advance that agenda and they'll print a contradictory piece.
Marxism by hook or by crook.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:50 am to cokebottleag
Democracy dies where again now?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:52 am to cokebottleag
The Ruling Class is finally coming out in the open to announce the truth? Interesting times.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:56 am to cokebottleag
quote:
For decades, the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else. Today, that conversation is counterproductive.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:01 pm to cokebottleag
Oh look, I found a gif of how voters can 'instruct' elites:
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:04 pm to Champagne
quote:i wonder how the left will square their beef with billionaires and loyalty to the ruling class...
The Ruling Class is finally coming out in the open to announce the truth? Interesting times.
Not that these clowns have an ounce of integrity in their platform
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:28 pm to cokebottleag
I’ve been saying that the Dems’ endgame with respect to primaries is to do away with them and just let the party establishment coronate a nominee at the convention.
Multiple reasons they want this:
1. Voters are too stupid to be entrusted to select the right candidate (see Bernie).
2. Money spent campaigning during primaries could instead be diverted to the general election and attacking GOP nominee.
3. No “circular firing squad” with Dems highlighting/exposing negatives about other Dems, one of whom will ultimately become nominee.
4. Voters with a strong emotional attachment to a losing candidate will be more likely to actually vote in the general election rather than pout and stay home in protest (see Bernie supporters).
5. Perceived increase in likelihood of winning in the general election would (assumedly) lead to more donations from contributors reluctant to donate to a candidate for whom victory is less certain.
This is why they created superdelegates. Negative reaction from base regarding superdelegates led to them scaling back their influence in a year the Dem nominee is unlikely to win regardless of who it is or how well they campaign.
This was a calculated move. In the event of a Trump victory, the party elites can contend that if the voters had nominated (insert name) instead of (insert name), the outcome would have been different.
To prevent this from reoccurring, superdelegate power must be expanded enough to enable them to once again totally override the nominee chosen by voters if voters pick the wrong candidate.
The MSM is already starting to push the narrative. Watch, wait and see.
Barring some major unforeseen circumstances such as assassination of POTUS (God forbid), or some major miscalculation by POTUS (very unlikely), Trump will win and GOP possibly/probably retakes the House.
They’ll blame their own voters for this (disingenuously given they know as well as anyone how hard it is to defeat an incumbent), and sell them on the proposed changes to their nominating process by guilting them into acceptance of the new model.
Assuming Trump wins, this absolutely will happen. Initially they’ll probably have to still have primary elections to allow voters to feel involved, but they won’t mean anything with respect to who the party nominates. The plan is to eliminate them altogether for the reasons stated above.
I expect them to do this incrementally for obvious reasons, but they could surprise me and enact the full agenda by 2024 (instead of using 2024 as a bridge to connect superdelegates being given increased authority to override voters and the total elimination of primaries).
Multiple reasons they want this:
1. Voters are too stupid to be entrusted to select the right candidate (see Bernie).
2. Money spent campaigning during primaries could instead be diverted to the general election and attacking GOP nominee.
3. No “circular firing squad” with Dems highlighting/exposing negatives about other Dems, one of whom will ultimately become nominee.
4. Voters with a strong emotional attachment to a losing candidate will be more likely to actually vote in the general election rather than pout and stay home in protest (see Bernie supporters).
5. Perceived increase in likelihood of winning in the general election would (assumedly) lead to more donations from contributors reluctant to donate to a candidate for whom victory is less certain.
This is why they created superdelegates. Negative reaction from base regarding superdelegates led to them scaling back their influence in a year the Dem nominee is unlikely to win regardless of who it is or how well they campaign.
This was a calculated move. In the event of a Trump victory, the party elites can contend that if the voters had nominated (insert name) instead of (insert name), the outcome would have been different.
To prevent this from reoccurring, superdelegate power must be expanded enough to enable them to once again totally override the nominee chosen by voters if voters pick the wrong candidate.
The MSM is already starting to push the narrative. Watch, wait and see.
Barring some major unforeseen circumstances such as assassination of POTUS (God forbid), or some major miscalculation by POTUS (very unlikely), Trump will win and GOP possibly/probably retakes the House.
They’ll blame their own voters for this (disingenuously given they know as well as anyone how hard it is to defeat an incumbent), and sell them on the proposed changes to their nominating process by guilting them into acceptance of the new model.
Assuming Trump wins, this absolutely will happen. Initially they’ll probably have to still have primary elections to allow voters to feel involved, but they won’t mean anything with respect to who the party nominates. The plan is to eliminate them altogether for the reasons stated above.
I expect them to do this incrementally for obvious reasons, but they could surprise me and enact the full agenda by 2024 (instead of using 2024 as a bridge to connect superdelegates being given increased authority to override voters and the total elimination of primaries).
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:31 pm to cokebottleag
I'm pretty sure the article of that is "to much democracy is bad for democracy"
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:43 pm to cokebottleag
Some animals are more equal than others.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:52 pm to cokebottleag
I agree. Reading this it sounded a lot like the way the Communist party selects candidates and then the people "vote" for them
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:02 pm to cokebottleag
quote:Except that is NOT the headline of the WaPo article, which is:
WaPo actual article title: It’s time to give the elites a bigger say in choosing the pres
quote:You call them elites. I call them party activists.
It’s time to switch to preference primaries
Political parties are private organizations. It makes perfect sense for those active IN that organization to have a larger say in selecting the organization’s nominee than some random yahoo who shows up once every four years to vote in a primary.
The premise of the article is as follows:
quote:If you want a bigger “say,” get more involved.
A process in which intermediate representatives — elected delegates who understand the priorities of their constituents — can bargain without being bound to specific candidates might actually produce nominees that better reflect what voters want.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:07 pm to McChowder
quote:
Dear God Trump has broken these people.
Trump? Bernie is breaking them.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
some random yahoo who shows up once every four years to vote in a primary.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:15 pm to cokebottleag
It appears the party elites need to get more in touch with their base and the people they represent.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:17 pm to cokebottleag
Let's summarize that short and sweet:
You little plebs can still vote, but we will handle selecting a nominee since we know best.
You little plebs can still vote, but we will handle selecting a nominee since we know best.
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