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re: Wall Funding Off the Table - Trump Admin to GIVE Mexico $4.8 BILLION
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:08 pm to deltaland
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:08 pm to deltaland
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It would be hilarious if trump secretly made a deal with Mexico to send aid money in return they pay for the wall
Hilarious if his followers thought that was Mexico paying for the Wall, you mean.
Aid money comes from our taxes. So, we'd be paying for the Wall. But, yeah, his shell game that he's using on his supporters is hilarious - sad, though. Sad that anyone would fall for the con.
There won't be a Wall. Mexico won't pay for it. Neither will American taxpayers. It won't ever happen. Nothing is happening on this.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:10 pm to AlaTiger
Do you want something to happen? Let’s get you on the record.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:12 pm to NIH
I don't want to pay for a stupid wall - you can put that on record
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:28 pm to Yak
Do you want to gut entitlements or punish businesses for hiring illegals? Or do you not see the problem with importing millions of unskilled third world peoples?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:34 pm to AlaTiger
If he does this, he's done.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:36 pm to NIH
quote:Which ones?
Do you want to gut entitlements
quote:I'm for it
punish businesses for hiring illegals?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:37 pm to shoelessjoe
That's rubbish. He never had a ghost of a chance to be reelected. The Republicans will run a never Trumper in 2020 and lose quietly to Beto, Biden, or whoever carries the Democratic mantel.
What this move will accomplish is to drop the president's approval level to ~30% or lower, making impeachment a real viable political option when the Democrats take charge in January.
What this move will accomplish is to drop the president's approval level to ~30% or lower, making impeachment a real viable political option when the Democrats take charge in January.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:39 pm to AlaTiger
I’ll need to see total foreign aid given to Mexico in previous years compared to total aid given to Mexico this year. What you posted in OP doesn’t actually mean anything.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:40 pm to tarzana
quote:Jesus man. You’re like the JJDoc or Parmenides of the left. Is there a progressive Q thread on Reddit or something I’m missing out on?
That's rubbish. He never had a ghost of a chance to be reelected. The Republicans will run a never Trumper in 2020 and lose quietly to Beto, Biden, or whoever carries the Democratic mantel.
What this move will accomplish is to drop the president's approval level to ~30% or lower, making impeachment a real viable political option when the Democrats take charge in January.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:41 pm to NIH
quote:
Do you want to gut entitlements or punish businesses for hiring illegals?
Non citizens should not be eligible to receive any entitlements.
Companies that knowingly hire illegals should be charged with felonies that include mandatory prison time and ruinous financial penalties.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
’ll need to see total foreign aid given to Mexico in previous years compared to total aid given to Mexico this year. What you posted in OP doesn’t actually mean anything.
quote:
The U.S. has given Mexico $234.79 million in assistance over the past five years, or roughly $46.9 million per year. The U.S. plans to provide Mexico with $134.6 million in the current budget year, none of which has yet been spent. The biggest chunk of the planned 2017 spending, $78.9 million, is devoted to democracy, human rights and governance programs, including supporting civic institutions. An additional $43.8 million is devoted to promoting peace and security, including counter-narcotics operations and combating transnational crime. The smallest piece of the 2017 package, $11.9 million, is for environmental and climate change programs.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
My question is what happened to the trillion dollar infrastructure campaign promise?
He saved it for 2019 so he can get something accomplished with a split congress
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:45 pm to NIH
quote:
Eliminate entitlements
Punish businesses who hire them
This is almost the most rational thing you have said.
But this news out of Washington is a head scratcher. Is Trump using american funds to create entitlements in Mexico? Very strange.
Of course better working conditions in the nations south of the border is one of the factors to stabilize the migrant labor situation. But the big strategy to do this was to allow Mexico to build its own base of legitimate business and agriculture and trade their way out of poverty through their own enterprise. I'm curious to know what this cash is for, exactly.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:48 pm to Yak
quote:
quote:
’ll need to see total foreign aid given to Mexico in previous years compared to total aid given to Mexico this year. What you posted in OP doesn’t actually mean anything.
quote:
The U.S. has given Mexico $234.79 million in assistance over the past five years, or roughly $46.9 million per year. The U.S. plans to provide Mexico with $134.6 million in the current budget year, none of which has yet been spent. The biggest chunk of the planned 2017 spending, $78.9 million, is devoted to democracy, human rights and governance programs, including supporting civic institutions. An additional $43.8 million is devoted to promoting peace and security, including counter-narcotics operations and combating transnational crime. The smallest piece of the 2017 package, $11.9 million, is for environmental and climate change programs.
BUMP
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:49 pm to Hurricane Mike
Democrats are going to attach so many things to that infrastructure bill because they know Trump needs a win really badly and he has lost all leverage,
Either Trump gives away the farm in a Democrat infrastructure bill or he loses his aura of the master deal maker. Democrats will just wait for the next Democrat President if they don’t get the bill they want, they have no incentive to give Trump an easy win.
Either Trump gives away the farm in a Democrat infrastructure bill or he loses his aura of the master deal maker. Democrats will just wait for the next Democrat President if they don’t get the bill they want, they have no incentive to give Trump an easy win.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:52 pm to Redleg Guy
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Either Trump gives away the farm in a Democrat infrastructure bill or he loses his aura of the master deal maker.
That aura has done been gone. His deal making abilities are confined to putting real estate developments together. He hasn't yet pulled off a real political deal.
We need infrastructure development and upkeep in a big way. Instead of wasting the money on a budget-busting corporate tax cut, he should have done the infrastructure deal. The time was right. Now, with the budget in shambles, we really can't afford it.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:53 pm to AlaTiger
My faith in Trump is at an all time low.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:55 pm to TBoy
quote:
We need infrastructure development and upkeep in a big way. Instead of wasting the money on a budget-busting corporate tax cut, he should have done the infrastructure deal. The time was right. Now, with the budget in shambles, we really can't afford it.
We had a massive infrastructure deal under Obama and now, here we are, saying we need another. Member "shovel ready jobs" that were massive wastes of billions of dollars?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:55 pm to AlaTiger
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Aid money comes from our taxes. So, we'd be paying for the Wall.
Who gives a shite. $20 billion total amortized over 30 years is $670 million a year. Pennies compared to the amount of money we waste. The amount of entitlements it would save from stopping any significant amount of illegal immigration would more than pay for that $670 million
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:58 pm to TBoy
he should call up TBoy and get this thing straightened.
I bet Chicken had no idea we had such a political mastermind on the Poli Board.
I bet Chicken had no idea we had such a political mastermind on the Poli Board.
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