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re: Wait...some of you are actually against NN??
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:02 am to notsince98
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:02 am to notsince98
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You realize it was free market before NN, right?
You seem smart
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:05 am to notsince98
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You realize it was free market before NN, right?
Not even the most ardent opponent of NN would argue that anything "free" ever existed in the telecom/ISP market.
The VAST majority of folks have at most two legit choices, either their phone or cable legacy carrier, both of which were massivly subsidised in the first place. These companies have spent billions making sure no one else can enter the market.
Explain how this is a free market and I might agree with you.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:10 am to notsince98
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NO!! That is just it. This has no impact on content controllers like Google, Twitter, facebook, amazon, etc.
Are you having fun trolling or are you really this stupid?
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This is EXACTLY why all those companies are pushing NN hard. They want full control via their massive lobbying power and ISPs can do nothing to protect their own interests or their customers.
Ahh the ever so rare contradicting yourself in the same post, my earlier qusestion is answered.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:10 am to Ole Messcort
I actually have faith in the free market. If ISPs start doing all the things the fear mongerers say they will, someone will figure out a better product that the customers will buy. Maybe they will charge more to go to facebook and Instagram and people will actually start freeing themselves from social media.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:22 am to Parmen
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Glad NN is going away. Free market is gonna free market :)
What free market?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:23 am to MusclesofBrussels
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You seem smart
Par for the course. Can't see the grey areas so it must be black and white.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:28 am to cajunangelle
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how's it hangin brother? Been across the pond lately to pick me up a real edition of the Daily Mail?
Want to access the daily mail and its fake news
that's $5.99 per month.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:35 am to joshnorris14
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I think you know by now that this topic cannot be discussed with any kind of expectation for reason by the side of the NNers.
Sorry your access to infowars has been denied please pay $4.99 a month for our alternative news package. Here at AT&T will be more than willing to redirect you to the newest member of the AT&T family CNN.com
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:44 am to Ole Messcort
If you love government regulation and all of its unseen costs, then youll love NN.
In order to see whats really going on, you need to understand rate-of-return regulations. The usual well-intentioned road to hell that government busybodies just cant resist. Tale as old as time (1887 Interstate Commerce Act.)
This article and the links within explain rate-of-return.
LINK
This is all about interfering in the market process in the name of "fairness" and "consumer protection". These words should warn you that your freedom is being eroded and that big bullies are suppressing the little guys and innovators.
In order to see whats really going on, you need to understand rate-of-return regulations. The usual well-intentioned road to hell that government busybodies just cant resist. Tale as old as time (1887 Interstate Commerce Act.)
This article and the links within explain rate-of-return.
LINK
This is all about interfering in the market process in the name of "fairness" and "consumer protection". These words should warn you that your freedom is being eroded and that big bullies are suppressing the little guys and innovators.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:58 am to TigerRad
It blows my mind at how many people in this thread rail against government regulation in every other form but want government in charge of internet
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:11 am to cave canem
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Explain how this is a free market and I might agree with you.
I have 5 ISP providers and 4 of them offer me 1Gbps fiber options.
There are no regulations preventing competition before NN came along.
Any anti-free market regulations were a product of YOUR "local" governments, not federal. It makes no sense to get the feds involved.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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NN effectively ceases avenues for creative entrants to justify expansion. the easiest example is "budget cable". NN makes it illegal to offer certain types of throttled options, even if the cost is lower. this sort of "budget cable" could do wonders for poor people who don't need more than 5-10 Mbps (most consumers waste a ton of their download speeds). so, theoretically, a service primed to corner that market is effectively kept out of the market by NN, thus, there is no reason to try to enter the market
Fact of the matter is there are two things Pai and his ilk have tried to argue: that reporting requirements overburden smaller ISP’s and make barrier to entry harder. Which is just false given that ISP’s with fewer than 250,000 customers are exempt from the requirement. The second is being over burdened with complaints, which hasn’t happened, and apparently transparency and responsiveness is bad in Pai’s eyes.
Nobody on the left or right wants this being done through title ll. Title ll was always the best of bad choices forced into due to growing behavior of consumer and business exploitation by natural monopolies. Forced because a crony congress refused to take action. And the millions of dollars flooding their inboxes in donations by big established natural monopolies to support axing net neutrality is not because they are good stewards, anyone that has done even basic research into these major conglomerates knows that, it’s because they see advantage in the rent-seeking capabilities in a captured market.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:00 am to notsince98
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I have 5 ISP providers and 4 of them offer me 1Gbps fiber options.
Where do you live?
Because that literally puts you in one of the smallest consumer minorities in the country.
When the vast majority of America is to that point, we can talk about the necessity of digital equal treatment regulations that prevent extortion and gouging and whether they are no longer necessary.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:01 am to bonhoeffer45
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Nobody on the left or right wants this being done through title ll
Which is why I do not support NN. It's a gateway regulation that could have far reaching implications down the road
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is why I do not support NN. It's a gateway regulation that could have far reaching implications down the road
Well that is simply bullshite. It’s been in place for two years and the world is not in ashes. In all of Europe, most of which by and large has much more advanced, competitive, and cheaper internet. And it’s hard to fathom, which is why I guess you left out specifics, how demanding isp’s to keep their network traffic settings on default and not screw with it is some catastrophe waiting to happen.
But if that is your position, why are you not calling your congressman to demand them address this legislatively? Where we’re you when the administration passed laws to let these same ISP’s to collect and sell your data without consent?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:44 am to Volvagia
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these companies were abusing their government sanctioned monopolies
Eliminate the government sanctioned monopolies then!
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:57 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Where do you live?
Suburbs of KC.
Google, CCI, AT&T, Comcast and Timewarner are present. There are a couple smaller DSL and wireless internet providers, too.
And you dodged the point. There were clearly no federal regulations preventing it. The issue you are complaining about is a local issue, not federal.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:03 pm to TigerTatorTots
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I'm pretty damn right of the aisle and I can't understand how anyone would be in favor of repealing NN
Republicans at this stage are banking their political futures on the chance that moderates won't remember this and ISPs don't screw everyone over.
It's like they've never MET Comcast.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:06 pm to skrayper
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Republicans at this stage are banking their political futures on the chance that moderates won't remember this and ISPs don't screw everyone over.
Or they have long enough memories to go back 2 years prior to this regulation?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:07 pm to skrayper
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Republicans at this stage are banking their political futures on the chance that moderates won't remember this and ISPs don't screw everyone over.
Only a few hysterical overemotional people are as concerned as you
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