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re: Wait til the world learns the vaxxed are the dangerous ones: 251x viral load as unvaxxed
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:12 pm to AMS
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:12 pm to AMS
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.. you realize the article you are defending is a perfect example of delusional BS from 'the side opposite covid fear/mandates' as it is wrong and dishonest?
You don't realize I wasn't referring to the article.
I believe the Cosmo guy was responding to what I wrote in the post he replied to. You'd have to read that to follow the exchange.
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:13 pm to AMS
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no one is glossing over the fact that delta variants today have higher viral loads
Of course they are.
LSU and the Saints want packed stadiums full of vaccinated people carrying the variants. It won't even move the needle for them, until the term "super spreader" is applied to the possible scores of people dying in ICUs because of yet another variant. One that was brought in by unsuspecting vaxxed people that weren't required to test negative to gain entry.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:14 pm to David_DJS
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What's the Covid mortality rate for a healthy/fit 45 yo? How does it compare to the flu mortality rate for healthy/fit 45 yos?
At our facility we might have 1 or 2 healthy people under 50 die from flu in a year
We have had about 10 die of covid in the delta wave
The kid stuff with covid I agree is complete fear mongering. The only kids dying are very unhealthy to begin with
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:15 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Interesting things from the study itself:
Source: The study itself
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we found strong evidence demonstrating for the first time that fully vaccinated healthcare 261 workers could still pass the virus between each other
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we found no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels at diagnosis and the development of respiratory symptoms or viral loads (i.e. infectivity).
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At the beginning of the outbreak, none of the HTD members of staff (including the PCR confirmed cases) were tested positive for N-protein antibodies, which only develop in response to whole-virus based vaccine and natural infection.
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there has been only one report showing that 9/11 cases of vaccine breakthrough infection had no detectable RNA when retested within 2–7 days after diagnosis. Yet, we found prolonged PCR positivity was up to 33 days in our study participants.
Source: The study itself
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:16 pm to ShinerHorns
quote:Says the poster who thinks Trump will be reinstated as President before the end of the year
Those who got vaccinated are sick in the head. They don’t care unfortunately.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:17 pm to meauxses
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Nobody followed you.
You're being downvoted because you assume this is a gotcha article for your viewpoint when in reality the article is completely misrepresenting the study it is linking.
Oh...shocker! You didn't actually read it!
The countries/areas with the highest vaccination rates also happen to be the countries/areas with the highest rise in cases.
What was that about a "gotcha"? Oh, shocker, you can't think for yourself.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:18 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Pillowbaw has more integrity and character in one little finger than worthless garbage such as yourself have ever dreamt existed
Pillowbaw would be dumb not to get into the livestock ivermectin market just about now.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:23 pm to Cosmo
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We have had about 10 die of covid in the delta wave
This is where I could give my favorite anecdotes, or someone that actually knows could give us what the Covid mortality rate is for healthy/fit 45 yos and how it compares to the flu mortality rate for the same cohort.
I've been told on these threads and have seen it reported elsewhere that Covid is less lethal for people under the age of 30 (not just healthy people, but the general population that age) and that somewhere around 35 the lines on the chart cross to where Covid becomes more lethal. And that's not counting flu deaths and Covid deaths the same way - for example, there is no death certificate matching program for flu.
And isn't it interesting that for a virus that has dominated every aspect of American life for 18 months and has moved the economy, education, etc ... that the answers to my questions aren't on the tips of everybody's tongue.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:24 pm to League Champs
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no one is glossing over the fact that delta variants today have higher viral loads
Of course they are.
LSU and the Saints want packed stadiums full of vaccinated people carrying the variants. It won't even move the needle for them, until the term "super spreader" is applied to the possible scores of people dying in ICUs because of yet another variant. One that was brought in by unsuspecting vaxxed people that weren't required to test negative to gain entry.
...wut delta-2021 is well known to be more infectious (higher viral loads) than alpha-2020 which is what this study studied. no one glossed over that and it is consistent with current knowledge.
now if youre making some emotional claim about going to sports IDK what to tell you. Those numbers would be much worse with a stadium of unvaxxed vs vaxxed. Your arguments seem to be either for another 100% lockdown, or vaccines work because even with a more infectious strain we have mass gatherings with fewer deaths than from alpha.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:24 pm to 00 Tech Grad
the vaccinated obviously represent too great a risk, as virtual COVID FOUNTAINS, for anyone concerned about excessive exposure to the disease
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:28 pm to Cosmo
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We have had about 10 die of covid in the delta wave
How is COVID killing them?
How is the treatment given to them designed to prevent it?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:29 pm to Earnest_P
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We have had about 10 die of covid in the delta wave
How is COVID killing them?
Yeah, that one is hard to believe unless his facility houses a few hundred thousand patients.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:30 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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the vaccinated obviously represent too great a risk, as virtual COVID FOUNTAINS, for anyone concerned about excessive exposure to the disease
Best thing to do is stay away from the super spreaders.
They're mad at themselves for falling on the jab. But will be the 1st to line up for muh boosters.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:32 pm to AMS
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now if youre making some emotional claim about going to sports IDK what to tell you.
I'm not being emotional. I'm just sharing with you the details of what is currently happening.
A new Japanese study and the Pfizer CEO just stated that a newer variant that will evade the vaccine is likely. So if the health professionals are warning of it, why are those in the entertainment industry packing the vaccinated together, when we know what the inevitable outcome will be?
This is not about a lock down, its about the blind trust in a vaccine that is failing. Test everyone that wants in. The vaxxed shouldn't get a pass when we all know they are carriers. Because the vaccine isn't stopping shite at this point.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:44 pm to meauxses
I just read the whole study. It does not at all draw the conclusion that the OP claims.
The study was conducted at a Vietnamese hospital. There was an outbreak. Viral loads were indeed found to be 251 times higher in the healthcare workers when compared to samples from the general population during Alpha, taken a year prior.
This high viral load was attributed to poor ventilation in the hospital, and the practice of not wearing masks by the healthcare workers.
Once again, we have people participating in misinformation... actively altering the findings of a study.
The study was conducted at a Vietnamese hospital. There was an outbreak. Viral loads were indeed found to be 251 times higher in the healthcare workers when compared to samples from the general population during Alpha, taken a year prior.
This high viral load was attributed to poor ventilation in the hospital, and the practice of not wearing masks by the healthcare workers.
Once again, we have people participating in misinformation... actively altering the findings of a study.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:09 pm to Metaloctopus
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The countries/areas with the highest vaccination rates also happen to be the countries/areas with the highest rise in cases.
How is that relevant to you blindly agreeing with a completely misleading post by OP after clearly not reading the study being referenced?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:34 pm to League Champs
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Because the vaccine isn't stopping shite at this point.
this is where you are objectively incorrect. it decreases infection incidence and severity. that means there are less potential spreaders despite that a breakthrough infection can still spread it. This should not be highly surprising unless you believe vaccines are magic forcefields.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:38 pm to TigerDoc
I was surprised to see how effective Moderna was with just one shot after delta.
No shite statistically superior to Pfizer. Confidence intervals did not cross.
No shite statistically superior to Pfizer. Confidence intervals did not cross.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:43 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Lmao yeah like the pillowguy channel or Facebook
Obsessed is obsessed!
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:45 pm to 00 Tech Grad
AND NOW BIDEN MANDATES NURSING HOME WORKERS TO GET THE VACCINE!!! hello??!!!! This will spread through older folks like shite through a tin horn.
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