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re: VoterGA REPORT: Evidence Shows Georgia Voting System May Have Added 15% to Raffensperger
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:42 pm to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:42 pm to ChineseBandit58
So what you are saying is that you guys would stop your whining and get on with laying a groundwork and a plan to defeat Biden and return Congress to the Republicans if there were a comprehensive forensic audit of all Dominion machines or a full comprehensive audit of the vote?
What factual evidence are you aware of that there were voting machines supplied by Dominion that did not work correctly in Georgia?
Were those errors made to local election boards?
Did those election boards communicate these errors to Raffensberger
What if the audit finds 2000 more votes for Biden?
What if it found 2000 more votes for Trump?
Who pays for this audit? Trump or the State of Georgia? Who conducts the audit, what " disinterested" third party is acceptable to both sides.
What are you hoping to accomplish? Certainly you cannot expect decertification....the constitution does not allow.
Here's my guess, you would not be happy with any of the results.
What factual evidence are you aware of that there were voting machines supplied by Dominion that did not work correctly in Georgia?
Were those errors made to local election boards?
Did those election boards communicate these errors to Raffensberger
What if the audit finds 2000 more votes for Biden?
What if it found 2000 more votes for Trump?
Who pays for this audit? Trump or the State of Georgia? Who conducts the audit, what " disinterested" third party is acceptable to both sides.
What are you hoping to accomplish? Certainly you cannot expect decertification....the constitution does not allow.
Here's my guess, you would not be happy with any of the results.
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:46 pm to notsince98
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From the Gateway Pundit? Not surprised.
Incorrect. The report is from VoterGA.
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Not surprised.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:53 pm to TheRouxGuru
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You have all been brainwashed by a government run media
This is a very good point.
To most of us, it's easily transparent that the media is extremely dishonest.
I think because of that, we don't realize how many people simply aren't smart enough to identify it and instead base their entire worldview on it.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:57 pm to KiwiHead
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What factual evidence are you aware of that there were voting machines supplied by Dominion that did not work correctly in Georgia?
Evidence?
If you don’t look (a true forensic audit subject to PUBLIC oversight and review), then finding evidence is an impossibility.
And don’t try to use the cursory bullshite “recount“ as your deflection. If I have TEN $100 bills, and NINE of them are fake, then I only have $100 bucks, no matter how many times that you count it and tell me it adds up to $1000.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:58 pm to Jjdoc
No Standing
Posted on 6/9/22 at 4:04 pm to KiwiHead
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So what you are saying is that you guys would stop your whining and get on with laying a groundwork and a plan to defeat Biden and return Congress to the Republicans if there were a comprehensive forensic audit of all Dominion machines or a full comprehensive audit of the vote?
Dude, every single election should be auditable. And, any election that is not auditable cannot be certified.
Voters who vote should be auditable for validity. And, you can't have margin of error discrepancies.
Ballots need chain of custody with documentation. If mail in voting is used, signatures needs to be verified. If in person voting is used, poll books need to verified against vote totals. If electronic voting is used to count paper ballots, lots, batches and ballots need to be traceable back to each individual vote. And, at any point, the ballot images should be able to be traced back to physical ballots for verification.
Georgia isn't capable of doing any of that.
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What if the audit finds 2000 more votes for Biden?
If it's a verifiable audit, who could argue? You'd have the physical ballots, connected to an equal number of physical signature envelopes, connected to an equal number of ballot images, that all can be traced back to a small group (batch) of physical paper ballots.
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Who pays for this audit?
The state. It's literally the fundamental purpose of the SOS.
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Who conducts the audit, what " disinterested" third party is acceptable to both sides.
It really doesn't matter if it's public and verifiable. It should be conducted with participants from both parties...just like elections. And, disputes can be tracked and maybe even argued in court if needed.
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Here's my guess, you would not be happy with any of the results.
I want honest elections. I don't care what the results say. Every election should be transparent and auditable.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 4:10 pm to KiwiHead
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get on with laying a groundwork and a plan to defeat Biden and return Congress to the Republicans
That’s not my job. That’s Republican leadership’s job. If they were doing that (or even pretending to do that), I would feel much better about the situation.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 4:19 pm to moneyg
Posted on 6/9/22 at 4:54 pm to jimmy the leg
So what does a forensic audit look like? What parameters meet your approval. Everyone screams forensic audit .....so what does it entail.
Are we looking at pre election procedures followed by activities associated with early voting and whether the Dominion machines were working properly during that period? Then how do you define the audit procedures and what constitutes a thorough forensic audit fir election day. Do you go and determine the vote and provisional ballots and how they were counted and the process by which it was conducted? Then we get to the actual vote and the way the machines worked?
You want to tear into each and every machine or just a select few in selected counties determined at random or specific counties from specific precincts? The who looks at these machines and determines if the operated properly? Do you understand how the algorithms are constructed? Who Does?
You use the analogy of 10 100 dollar bills. The audit would be focused more on the 1 bill ....that is how an audit works in any audit process.
You are looking for an a ha!!!. You are not going to find it . You'll waste money and time that could be better used for making sure Warnock goes back to preaching. Abrams becomes a Star Trek regular and Biden retires to a facility where his Jamaican nurse makes sure he gets his Ensure.
Are we looking at pre election procedures followed by activities associated with early voting and whether the Dominion machines were working properly during that period? Then how do you define the audit procedures and what constitutes a thorough forensic audit fir election day. Do you go and determine the vote and provisional ballots and how they were counted and the process by which it was conducted? Then we get to the actual vote and the way the machines worked?
You want to tear into each and every machine or just a select few in selected counties determined at random or specific counties from specific precincts? The who looks at these machines and determines if the operated properly? Do you understand how the algorithms are constructed? Who Does?
You use the analogy of 10 100 dollar bills. The audit would be focused more on the 1 bill ....that is how an audit works in any audit process.
You are looking for an a ha!!!. You are not going to find it . You'll waste money and time that could be better used for making sure Warnock goes back to preaching. Abrams becomes a Star Trek regular and Biden retires to a facility where his Jamaican nurse makes sure he gets his Ensure.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 4:59 pm to moneyg
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I want honest elections. I don't care what the results say. Every election should be transparent and auditable.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:00 pm to moneyg
So where do you suspect the chicanery happened? You got to have a target, no court would allow for the type of fishing expedition you suggest or that I described.
What you suggest with court oversight of disputes of finding is a recipe for chaos
What you suggest with court oversight of disputes of finding is a recipe for chaos
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:03 pm to KiwiHead
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whether the Dominion machines were working properly during that period
Define this. Is it a glitch, or a feature?
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You are looking for an a ha!!!. You are not going to find it
If you don’t look, then no, you won’t.
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You'll waste money and time that could be better used for making sure Warnock goes back to preaching. Abrams becomes a Star Trek regular and Biden retires to a facility where his Jamaican nurse makes sure he gets his Ensure.
I’m sure that will all happen if we all just trust in the honor system.
Good grief man.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:07 pm to KiwiHead
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You got to have a target,
Okay.
As of now, I would take that over your “Just trust us” approach.
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What you suggest with court oversight of disputes of finding is a recipe for chaos
I would take that over the leftists running the country into the ground.
I truly hate the “Lets just move on” crowd.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:09 pm to the808bass
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You sound super stupid.
Could be.
But when I see "evidence shows" I expect something clear and conclusive. When 'may have' follows, doubt is injected.
I am good with unauditable and non-transparent = fraud. I don't need anything more than that.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:10 pm to KiwiHead
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So what does a forensic audit look like? What parameters meet your approval. Everyone screams forensic audit .....so what does it entail.
Are we looking at pre election procedures followed by activities associated with early voting and whether the Dominion machines were working properly during that period? Then how do you define the audit procedures and what constitutes a thorough forensic audit fir election day. Do you go and determine the vote and provisional ballots and how they were counted and the process by which it was conducted? Then we get to the actual vote and the way the machines worked?
You want to tear into each and every machine or just a select few in selected counties determined at random or specific counties from specific precincts? The who looks at these machines and determines if the operated properly? Do you understand how the algorithms are constructed? Who Does?
You use the analogy of 10 100 dollar bills. The audit would be focused more on the 1 bill ....that is how an audit works in any audit process.
You are looking for an a ha!!!. You are not going to find it . You'll waste money and time that could be better used for making sure Warnock goes back to preaching. Abrams becomes a Star Trek regular and Biden retires to a facility where his Jamaican nurse makes sure he gets his Ensure.
You show a complete non-understanding of systems and controls.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:21 pm to KiwiHead
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So where do you suspect the chicanery happened?
This is off topic. It doesn't matter what I think nor do I need to know where the fraud existed in order to validly want an auditable process.
Nevertheless, I think the largest fraud in Georgia occurred by leftist political non profits that fraudulently filled out physical ballots for "unlikely" voters in order to increase democrat votes to the point that a valid election didn't occur.
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What you suggest with court oversight of disputes of finding is a recipe for chaos
You are using this as justification for fraud. We have election judges today...have forever. The judicial branch is involved in lawsuits on election day all the fricking time.
But, that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting a documentable, auditable, and transparent election result.
For example, imagine if each precinct had its ballot images available online at the precinct level and anyone could validate those images to election day results.
Imagine if individual voters could also go to those same images and validate that their vote exists (presumably against some unique non-identifiable id) and is part of the total that was reported.
Then you could have the Garland Favorito's challenge a result and say "we have a problem. This precinct reported 5000 votes, but there are only 4200 images. That's verifiable. It's objective.
This is easily done. The systems exist today to do this. Instead, people like you just want everyone to trust those running elections. It's clear that you are a dishonest person for this very reason. You are pushing against transparency.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:24 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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Under what circumstance is it necessary to use hidden, proprietary algorithms to COUNT ballots. Why is a cornerstone of our democracy— free and fair elections— outsourced to private companies?? How are these companies not 100% transparent in their dealings?
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I keep asking these questions but NEVER get a response:
I believe it's because there's no way to justify your question without sounding like a blithering moron...come to think of it however, that still leaves plenty of leftists who can respond!
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:54 pm to TrueTiger
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If the election system is not auditable and not transparent then the reasonable person SHOULD presume that its results are fraudulent.
I don't know why people weren't more shocked by the cyber ninjas audit.
they had the most lax security since the fire tablets in your kindergartners class.
I once set an admin password to P@ssword!@# on a server I have at my house. RDP routed through firewall to go to that machine. It was ransomwared in about 72 hours. I didn't have anything important on it and just formatted it and learned the lesson. But yeah. You bet your arse if there could've been fraud. There absolutely was.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:54 pm to haroldoftherocks
You are 100% correct. The right doesn't want to know the truth! I just need 11,780........
Posted on 6/9/22 at 5:56 pm to HANNANB
Bless your heart. You just take whatever Morning Joe spits into your mouth and just run with it like you won the lottery, don't you?
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