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re: Vivek Ramaswamy has star power unlike any other recent VP candidate
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its just the last few we turned leftward and gave up on the values that separated us from the other guys.
We've always been the anchor to keep it from running away. Thats about all "we" an do.
No, it's just that in the last few years you have been exposed at being part of the uni-party.
To call the GOPe an anchor, than it's another 30 year failed anchor.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:06 pm to Tandemjay
They fail to understand the party of old has been drastically transformed.
To those pointing to the Paul ryans of the world, I ask you, what good is compromise when the end result is negative?
To those pointing to the Paul ryans of the world, I ask you, what good is compromise when the end result is negative?
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:15 pm to SirWinston
I’m a huge Vivek fan. He’s a rockstar
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:17 pm to SirWinston
Honestly, most people tend to laugh at Vivek.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:18 pm to VOR
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Honestly, most people tend to laugh at Vivek
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:19 pm to SirWinston
Vivek sided with the media on "Don't Say Gay" by advocating for teaching 8 year-old children about sex in the classroom and he celebrated the farce that is Juneteenth.
He's a RINO, not a conservative. My goodness, it's embarrassing how many people in this party view politics like WWE.
He's a RINO, not a conservative. My goodness, it's embarrassing how many people in this party view politics like WWE.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:22 pm to Tandemjay
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We got us a real sheep here folks.
You really think Trump had a fricking clue about judicial nominations?.....or a mastery of the nuances of tax policy? He certainly had principled beliefs and some understating of tax and was smart enough to listen to Ryan and McConnell but it was those guys who had the legislation teed up and ready to go and they whipped up the votes....the tax reform deal had been on dock for years.....the judges had been identified for years.......Trump had frick all to do with it except rubber stamp it.....which he did to his credit.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:26 pm to 14&Counting
Are you a fed? You talk like one.
Either way, you are a minority on the right. Your side had 30 years, times up.
Either way, you are a minority on the right. Your side had 30 years, times up.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:26 pm to 14&Counting
I’ll hand it to McConnell on judges but hey, we had the numbers. Trump wasn’t shy about his plans with the Supreme Court and the Fed judges. guys like Ryan are the reason more conservative policy wasn’t enacted. Hell, we still have Obamacare because of folks like him and McCain. So please spare me the theatrics. Now, read Vivek’s policy.
America first 2.0
Please. Educate yourself.
America first 2.0
Please. Educate yourself.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:26 pm to cwill
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That SirWinston supports such an obvious huckster with hiphuckster style is maybe a little less surprising than the maga weirdos full throated embrace of the TikTok flip flop.
Lofty snark, mate. Well done.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:30 pm to SirWinston
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Vivek Ramaswamy has star power unlike
Is this satire?
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:48 pm to Richleau
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Please. Educate yourself.
Trump was the leader of the Party. It's his responsibility to get it over the line.
Trump has no capacity for building coalitions or consensus. As in none.....
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:03 pm to 14&Counting
And my question to you is, if coalition and consensus ends with bipartisan bills that erode citizens’ rights like the patriot act, then what good is coalition and consensus?
Look, guys like McConnell, McCarthy, Ryan, etc are out. The future is a changing party back to more conservative principle that is bound by the constitution and seeks to neuter and reduce the federal government. Why would you be opposed to that?
Look, guys like McConnell, McCarthy, Ryan, etc are out. The future is a changing party back to more conservative principle that is bound by the constitution and seeks to neuter and reduce the federal government. Why would you be opposed to that?
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:12 pm to Richleau
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Look, guys like McConnell, McCarthy, Ryan, etc are out. The future is a changing party back to more conservative principle that is bound by the constitution and seeks to neuter and reduce the federal government. Why would you be opposed to that?
I am not opposed to it in theory but what you guys can't seem to grasp are these so-called RINO types are an important block. They are conservative but skew heavily to the middle and are more vanilla in their politics. Not everyone is a Trump accolyte and fire breathing MAGA,,,,,even conservative states keep sending these people to Congress. Again - there are probably something like a dozen of these people in the Senate and they are power centers unto themselves. They are only responsible to their constituents and don't have to listen to you or Trump for that matter. You have to try and co-opt them to your side and Trump has done a horrible job at it. It's why the Republicans can't win shite. Do you think the Democrat rank and file like Joe Biden? They fricking despise him yet they consistently line up behind him because they know that Biden will at least deliver for them. Republicans won't do that for Trump because he makes enemies out of everyone.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:18 pm to Richleau
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more conservative principle that is bound by the constitution and seeks to neuter and reduce the federal government.
Not if the evidence is Dons first term. He is all in on activist government.
His economics have more central planning than Bill Clintons.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:22 pm to 14&Counting
So the net result is the federal government doing less by not capitulating. I fail to see that as a bad result. The younger faces you see over and over, guys like Mike Johnson, are the face of the party now. That trend will continue. No need to go back to failed policy trumpeted by the party of old.
Results matter and people are starved for a better path forward. Vivek is the perfect conduit for all this. He’s young, he can clearly explain complicated conservative issues, and most importantly, the policies he supports are drastic changes backed by constitutional power that seek to limit the power and scope of the federal government.
As opposed to the Republican Party of old that passed the patriot act and created even more federal government.
I understand your fear of trying something new but can you not see where the wind is blowing? Now please take the time to read his policies. Its dire you understand them.
To your point about the democrats. You’re right, they support Biden even if they hate them, so why then do we have never trumpers backed by Bush and co? Seems to me your ire should be with them and not the new direction of the Republican Party which should be called the America First party, right?
Results matter and people are starved for a better path forward. Vivek is the perfect conduit for all this. He’s young, he can clearly explain complicated conservative issues, and most importantly, the policies he supports are drastic changes backed by constitutional power that seek to limit the power and scope of the federal government.
As opposed to the Republican Party of old that passed the patriot act and created even more federal government.
I understand your fear of trying something new but can you not see where the wind is blowing? Now please take the time to read his policies. Its dire you understand them.
To your point about the democrats. You’re right, they support Biden even if they hate them, so why then do we have never trumpers backed by Bush and co? Seems to me your ire should be with them and not the new direction of the Republican Party which should be called the America First party, right?
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:28 pm to SirWinston
The dude is a snake, don’t be deceived.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:31 pm to SirWinston
Trump will not ever allow someone with the skills of Vivek to be VP. Vivek is an alpha.
Trump will always take a more beta candidate. He will not ever accept the possibility of being made to look inferior.
Trump will always take a more beta candidate. He will not ever accept the possibility of being made to look inferior.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:34 pm to Richleau
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understand your fear of trying something new but can you not see where the wind is blowing? Now please take the time to read his policies. Its dire you understand them.
You guys have your heads in the clouds and you are completely missing the point
Here is the reality: Assuming a Trump win and things really go well down ballot, at best he gets a slim majority in similar to 2016.....I doubt it but let's assume the best outcome. So what happens next? The reality is that Trump is already a one term lame duck President that has a two year window at best to effect any meaningful sort of change that can't be undone by EO and overturned by the next Democrat. So explain to me how he accomplishes that given the dynamics and power balance in the Senate remains more or les the same. How does Trump accomplish anything without the backing of these so-calle Establishment RINOS you hate so much?
Tell me how he does it? Because they don't give a frick about Trump and there is likely as much political upside to turning their backs on him a there is working with him. How is Trump going to push a legislative agenda through Congress without their support. Spare me your aspirational hopes an dreams because I am talking realpolitik and what the political reality and make-up of Congress will be in 2025.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 9:35 pm
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