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re: Violent video games and desensitization

Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:29 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:29 pm to
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We have been using video games for decades to train soldiers. Full Spectrum Warrior (Xbox) is one of them.




We don't run kids through an Xbox game and then send them over to fight.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:31 pm to
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We have been using video games for decades to train soldiers. Full Spectrum Warrior (Xbox) is one of them.



Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:31 pm to
Oh shut up, Tipper.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:32 pm to
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So why in a country like Japan that, shares our appetite for violent videogames and media,do we not see these type of massacres?



Could be a number of factors. Certain races have a higher rate of cancer.

But yes... they have had violence.

LINK

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The surge in youth violence has sparked calls for a reassessment of the increasingly violent and sexually charged youth culture in Japan, now exported worldwide through animation, comic strips and video games.
The young killer in Sasebo, whose name is being withheld under Japanese law, was an avid fan of "Battle Royale," a popular teen movie turned Internet game in which students kill one another through blood sport. Although the girl is still undergoing psychological evaluation, she is believed to have been set off by a seemingly minor offense: The victim, one of the girl's closest friends, once called her "overweight" and "prissy" on a Web site.

Japan has experienced a rising tide of serious youth crimes, including arson, assault, rape, manslaughter and premeditated murder.
Incidents of violence on school grounds have increased fivefold in Japan




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2001- At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.




This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:36 pm to
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We have been using video games for decades to train soldiers. Full Spectrum Warrior (Xbox) is one of them.



I watched this movie on Netflix where they invited top gamers to play in a "real life" game. As it turns out, once you were shot you actually experienced the pain. As the movie played out all the players, who projected to be bad asses, showed they were really pussies. This is what I imagine real life to be like. A bunch of video game bad asses are really pussies when it becomes real life and one dude is just mental.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:41 pm to
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We don't run kids through an Xbox game and then send them over to fight.


Yes sir..... We do use video games to train. That game I listed was used.


6 Military Video Games Used to Train Troops on the Battlefield




Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:43 pm to
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Centinel


Spacewar! was the first one we used
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:48 pm to
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And you’re being willfully obtuse if you don’t think that realistic, violent, murderous role play is a part of what enables these people to go out in real life and act in a way that humans have never acted before

Yea I heard that Jack the Ripper never would’ve killed all of those women had the not learned that behavior from beating up hookers on GTA V. People are violent, always have been, always will be. To act like violent mass murders against innocent people are some new behavior is being willfully obtuse.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:51 pm to
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Yea I heard that Jack the Ripper never would’ve killed all of those women had the not learned that behavior from beating up hookers on GTA V. People are violent, always have been, always will be. To act like violent mass murders against innocent people are some new behavior is being willfully obtuse.



You are in part right....... and in part wrong. To ignore the studies and the TESTS ran by our on CIA for decades is to bury your head in the sand.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:52 pm to
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Violent video games and desensitization


I'm not sold on this being the reason for the violence. Every generation has dealt with violence. I think it is an over all moral degradation in society due to parenting issues, religion stepping back a bit, certain societal moral rubicons crossed over, etc...as in there are some thing you just don't do and some places you just don't go, but many of these walls have been broken down into moral relativism. To me, it is a whole package of things that contribute such as all that I mentioned.

I grew up in the 80's and we had some violent games. Back in the day Westerns had all sorts of killing. The family unit was stronger years ago though. Morality was stronger over all...leading me to conclude there is more to this violence than just the violent games and such.
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:57 pm to
And to ignore the fact that the CIA has committed numerous declassified atrocities against the American people and regularly manipulates people en masse and probably shouldn’t be trusted is, again, to bury your head in the sand. I no more take the CIA at their word than I would any other violent sociopath who tortures, manipulates, and kills people for fun.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:58 pm to
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I'm not sold on this being the reason for the violence. Every generation has dealt with violence.



We have.


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I think it is an over all moral degradation in society due to parenting issues, religion stepping back a bit, certain societal moral rubicons crossed over



I can agree with that.


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To me, it is a whole package of things that contribute such as all that I mentioned. I grew up in the 80's and we had some violent games. Back in the day Westerns had all sorts of killing. The family unit was stronger years ago though. Morality was stronger over all...leading me to conclude there is more to this violence than just the violent games and such.


However, in the 80s less people were exposed to violent games.

If 1 out of every 1 Million carries a marker for drug addition and only 2 million use, you will have maybe 2 may 3 hooked after a few doses. Multiply that times 300.

I'm not suggesting that it's a lone factor, but I do know it's a larger factor than a gun that is an non animated object.
Posted by HurricaneTiger
Coral Gables, FL
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:00 am to
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Violent video games and desensitization


No. Are do you want to take away guns as well. And rock music.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:02 am to
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And to ignore the fact that the CIA has committed numerous declassified atrocities


I don't. I just listed one in this thread.


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probably shouldn’t be trusted is, again, to bury your head in the sand.


No idea what the hell that has to do with what I stated. I stated that due to the declassified information, WE KNOW the research. We know the effects. We know..... And to ignore THAT is to bury your head.

That is the exact point.

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I no more take the CIA at their word than I would any other violent sociopath who tortures, manipulates, and kills people for fun.



Not sure what word you are talking about.
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:06 am to
bullshite , games have nothing to do with it. It’s violence in the home that needs to be dealt with.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:14 am to
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Bull shite ,



No it isn't. In fact games have been studied and some enhance thinking.


However, there is a reason why the Military has been using this tech for 40 years.

An example...Doom II. YEP! We even use them in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder. Think that through....

Why ignore studies?



Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20254 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:15 am to
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However, in the 80s less people were exposed to violent games.



I think we agree mostly, but I dunno about this. We had a lot of arcades and a lot of shoot 'em up games and most my peers and I frequented them. But without a doubt your point on guns is valid. Glad we could counter point each other with civility.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68421 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:21 am to
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Get back to me when violent crime isn't 60% lower than it was before these games were invented.
And despite gun ownership going way up.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24855 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:21 am to
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Many believe that violent videos are no big deal, but I have always believed it plays a big part with a percentage of people.


I play violent games and I am 38. Certain videos I have seen on liveleak etc stay with my more than a melee attack in COD. I vividly remember a Chechen cutting a Russian soldiers throat and that was probably a decade ago.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 12:23 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:23 am to




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