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re: Vicki Weaver...Why did a sniper shoot her in the head?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:44 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:44 am to burger bearcat
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Why did a sniper shoot her in the head? How was this ever justified?
The FBI weren't the only ones making bad decisions on that day.
They just made the most.
And it's only gotten worse since then.
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:47 am to Putty
Entrapment is illegal and it is why the FBI couldn't prosecute the Govt Whitmer guys because they entrapped them.
To put VW's death on Randy is ridiculous. You had military guys come out of the woods surrounding your house, who wouldn't go into their house?
This was a travesty by the FBI just like all the other BS they pulled off under Clinton.
It continued under Obama and no one is held to account
To put VW's death on Randy is ridiculous. You had military guys come out of the woods surrounding your house, who wouldn't go into their house?
This was a travesty by the FBI just like all the other BS they pulled off under Clinton.
It continued under Obama and no one is held to account
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:55 am to KiwiHead
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All this stemmed from a sawed off shotgun...one sawed off shotgun. They could have left him alone.But that's not how the federales roll.
Which as I recall was purchased by a government informer, likely at their behest
Literally every step of the Weaver saga resulted from government pushing and prodding a guy who they knew was likely inclined toward some grand delusions about government. And I don't say that to put most of the blame on Randy for the build up, I think as a father he failed his family, but I do not believe the actions both during the siege and in the years prior, were warranted.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:58 am to TGFN57
Weaver was a green beret and Vietnam vet who won a land dispute with a neighbor who spitefully made false claims about Weaver to the feds.
The feds attempted to entrap him several times on a bullshite shotgun barrel charge, and he denied them multiple times before finally agreeing.
The feds falsely claimed Weaver was a bank robber to jusifty insane fire power, and rolled a fricking small army into Ruby Ridge and began sneaking around the woods surrounding Weaver's home. They also falsely claimed that Weaver fired at a media helicopter.
They shot his dog while hiding in the woods and when his 14 year old son fired back at the unknown shooters, they murdered him by shooting him in the back at close range.
They later shot his wife in the face while she was holding his baby in front of him and his other children.
Finally, frick you.
The feds attempted to entrap him several times on a bullshite shotgun barrel charge, and he denied them multiple times before finally agreeing.
The feds falsely claimed Weaver was a bank robber to jusifty insane fire power, and rolled a fricking small army into Ruby Ridge and began sneaking around the woods surrounding Weaver's home. They also falsely claimed that Weaver fired at a media helicopter.
They shot his dog while hiding in the woods and when his 14 year old son fired back at the unknown shooters, they murdered him by shooting him in the back at close range.
They later shot his wife in the face while she was holding his baby in front of him and his other children.
Finally, frick you.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:03 am to TGFN57
quote:
Her death is on Randy Weaver. When you violate federal law and then use your family in a stand off with the law, only bad things are going to happen.
The FBI wanted to pressure Randy Weaver to become an informant so they were trying to arrest him for having a shotgun with a barrel that was 1/4" too short. That 1/4" justified two murders by officials.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:16 am to Telecaster
quote:Didn’t he make a subsequent appearance in Waco?
His name: Lon Horiuchi
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:17 am to Mr. Misanthrope
quote:Yes he did.
Didn’t he make a subsequent appearance in Waco?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:20 am to Auburn1968
Add to it Weaver regularly went into town and the easily could have picked him up then.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:21 am to Auburn1968
Since this thread was started, I’ve been trying to find G Gordon Liddy’s audio account of the Ruby Ridge incident to post here. No success.
The G-man HATED him some Lon Horiuchi.
The G-man HATED him some Lon Horiuchi.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:24 am to rltiger
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Add to it Weaver regularly went into town and the easily could have picked him up then.
Yep. The Feds concocted false stories of Weaver being a dangerous bank robber to justify outrageous use of force.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:40 am to TGFN57
quote:
Her death is on Randy Weaver. When you violate federal law and then use your family in a stand off with the law, only bad things are going to happen.
He didn't use his family in a standoff
They had an unannounced raid at his home you dumb frick
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:47 am to burger bearcat
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I am just now learning more about Ruby Ridge (late to the party)
Welcome to the 90s.
Lon Horiuchi shot her in the head because he could. And Bill Barr said it was ok because if the government decides that they can shoot people, then they can shoot people.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:50 am to TGFN57
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All he had to do was say no.
There is some belief out there that the undercover FBI agent shortened the barrel after Randy had modified it.
The request for the illegal shotgun was not the first request for Randy to do something illegal. Randy turned down all the previous requests for illegal stuff.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:51 am to 62Tigerfan
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And how about her 14 year old son, Sammy, shot IN THE BACK while trying to run away.
Sammy was an existential threat to the Republic.
It was when the father visited his son’s body in a separate building and was returning to the house that Horiuchi shot Vicki in the front door of the house. (IIRC)
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:54 am to burger bearcat
the prosecutor that denied trying the agent later resigned for malpractice. So no criminal conviction for lon the sniper but i believe randy was awarded 3 million in a civil case.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:09 am to burger bearcat
Take the time to watch this VIDEO.
The FBI wanted Randy to be a paid informant for a local militia (The FBI most likely formed themselves) Randy was a Army Ranger and told them no, he isn't a snitch.
FBI agents set Randy up asking him to saw off a shot gun for them. They recorded him and used the recording against him. Suddenly he had charges against him delivered to his door.
The court date was wrong on the official document and Randy no-showed.
They had a warrant and were watching Randy for many long days & nights. They could easily walk up to him in town tailing him and quietly cuff him and take him in.
They waited until Randy went home up in the secluded mountain. All's Randy wanted was to live off the grid, no electric, they hunted mostly for all food, kids homeschooled. The FBI painted them as freaks on TV.
They started sniper shooting at Randy his buddy and young son near a storage shed on the land. Randy's son was shot and killed by snipers. Randy started to retreat to carry his son's body and the shooting never stopped.
The snipers just shot. No one ever tried to talk to Randy reasonably.
Randy's wife came out on the porch carrying their baby in her arms. A sniper shot an unarmed woman holding a baby. They both died.
POS Barr protected the FBI and blamed a rogue agent. The family won a settlement from the feds (which IMO was peanuts) and the FBI should have been shut down that day; but they sleaze talked like Wray did today.
The FBI wanted Randy to be a paid informant for a local militia (The FBI most likely formed themselves) Randy was a Army Ranger and told them no, he isn't a snitch.
FBI agents set Randy up asking him to saw off a shot gun for them. They recorded him and used the recording against him. Suddenly he had charges against him delivered to his door.
The court date was wrong on the official document and Randy no-showed.
They had a warrant and were watching Randy for many long days & nights. They could easily walk up to him in town tailing him and quietly cuff him and take him in.
They waited until Randy went home up in the secluded mountain. All's Randy wanted was to live off the grid, no electric, they hunted mostly for all food, kids homeschooled. The FBI painted them as freaks on TV.
They started sniper shooting at Randy his buddy and young son near a storage shed on the land. Randy's son was shot and killed by snipers. Randy started to retreat to carry his son's body and the shooting never stopped.
The snipers just shot. No one ever tried to talk to Randy reasonably.
Randy's wife came out on the porch carrying their baby in her arms. A sniper shot an unarmed woman holding a baby. They both died.
POS Barr protected the FBI and blamed a rogue agent. The family won a settlement from the feds (which IMO was peanuts) and the FBI should have been shut down that day; but they sleaze talked like Wray did today.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:39 pm to cajunangelle
quote:I'm confused...
The court date was wrong on the official document and Randy no-showed.
• Did he or did he not know that the court date was in FEB and just ignored it? Or did the Feds make a huge clerical error?
• Did Weaver eventually receive the March notice (with ample time to make the March hearing) and ignore it, precipitating the warrant/arrest for not showing up at the March hearing?
• Is Weaver off the hook because the Feds made a clerical error?
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This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:55 pm to Buryl
I am a retired business man, a real Republican and unlike redneck maggat brains, proud to be a supporter of law enforcement.
Look, when you make a choice in life, you learn to live with the consequences. Randy Weaver made a choice and it led directly to his wife's death. No amount of mental gymnastics or neck indignation is going to change that.
Look, when you make a choice in life, you learn to live with the consequences. Randy Weaver made a choice and it led directly to his wife's death. No amount of mental gymnastics or neck indignation is going to change that.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:56 pm to TGFN57
quote:He did? What choice was that?
Randy Weaver made a choice and it led directly to his wife's death.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:00 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:
Bill Barr described the agents as heroes.
What came out of this deep state fried tub of lard's mouth needs repeating.
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